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<blockquote data-quote="Tormyr" data-source="post: 8459292" data-attributes="member: 6776887">Taking a deeper look at this, I think that you should be somewhat visible to both planes in steps 1 to 5. Additionally, each method of transferring to the bleak gate is fundamentally different.<ul>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">The smuggling route only has things transfer after passing all six rings within a certain time or it snaps back to the material plane. Here, it takes 6 steps to push something to the bleak gate using only effort from the material plane side.</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">In book 4, the fight where creatures in both planes can see and interact with creatures within the circle is somewhat the opposite of what you have for step 3. Creatures within the circle can only see the plane they are in outside of the circle. Within the circle, both planes are commingled, but an extra item is needed to transfer a creature to the Bleak Gate.</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">In book 5, the gatecrasher charm takes you to somewhere around step 4/5, but you snap back without assistance from the other side within a certain amount of time. Even then, you are visible to the Material plane.</li>
</ul>My suggestion would be to take a second look at these events along with the fight in book 2. My thoughts<ul>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">Creatures should be at least somewhat visible to both planes in all steps but 0 and 6.</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">Creatures should have vision into the other plane that is the inverse of how others can see them. In book 4, the vision in the other plane does not extend beyond the circle.</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">Most methods of transport don't use 6 steps. That is only needed when all of the effort is passive and comes from one side.</li>
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[QUOTE="Tormyr, post: 8459292, member: 6776887"] Taking a deeper look at this, I think that you should be [I]somewhat[/I] visible to both planes in steps 1 to 5. Additionally, each method of transferring to the bleak gate is fundamentally different. [LIST] [*]The smuggling route only has things transfer after passing all six rings within a certain time or it snaps back to the material plane. Here, it takes 6 steps to push something to the bleak gate using only effort from the material plane side. [*]In book 4, the fight where creatures in both planes can see and interact with creatures within the circle is somewhat the opposite of what you have for step 3. Creatures within the circle can only see the plane they are in outside of the circle. Within the circle, both planes are commingled, but an extra item is needed to transfer a creature to the Bleak Gate. [*]In book 5, the [I]gatecrasher charm[/I] takes you to somewhere around step 4/5, but you snap back without assistance from the other side within a certain amount of time. Even then, you are visible to the Material plane. [/LIST] My suggestion would be to take a second look at these events along with the fight in book 2. My thoughts [LIST] [*]Creatures should be at least somewhat visible to both planes in all steps but 0 and 6. [*]Creatures should have vision into the other plane that is the inverse of how others can see them. In book 4, the vision in the other plane does not extend beyond the circle. [*]Most methods of transport don't use 6 steps. That is only needed when all of the effort is passive and comes from one side. [/LIST] [/QUOTE]

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