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<blockquote data-quote="Li Shenron" data-source="post: 6122304" data-attributes="member: 1465"><p>Just had in mind what Mearls wrote in todays L&L column about re-introducing a sub-class choice to the Fighter class. He mentioned Knight and Gladiator gaining different proficiencies and some unique feature, so probably the whole thing will be totally different from previous Fighting Styles granting maneuvers.</p><p></p><p>Anyway, I got he impression that the <em>Knight</em> background will be removed and turned into a Fighter-only sub-class choice.</p><p></p><p>No big deal, but for some reason I thought I really liked the idea that anyone could be a knight. I'm not sure, but I think famous non-fighter characters such as Merlin and Gandalf could in fact have been Wizards with a Knight background. </p><p></p><p>I had a minor feeling there, that I was going to miss this little option as a background, and then thought... what if I tried to slap the Knight <em>fighter's theme</em> (or whatever it will be called) on top of a Wizard, or a Cleric or anybody?</p><p></p><p>Obviously there would need to be a trade-off, something to give up but then the answer was already there: <em>what if you could pick another class' sub-class choice instead of your own</em>?</p><p></p><p>What if you could play a Wizard that instead of a Tradition has a Fighter's Theme? A Fighter with a Cleric's Deity? A Rogue with a Wizard's Tradition?</p><p></p><p>I'm thinking about <em>house rules</em> here, no need for the game to officially support this, but rather the DM will check if the combination makes sense. But you know what... <em>most</em> of them actually do!</p><p></p><p>First of all, the trade-off of course needs to be balanced. Paladin's Oaths are straight inferior (although not too much) than Cleric's Deities, they both grant domain spells and channeling options, but the Deities grant more. Monk's Traditions are the smallest, and they grant only Ki abilities which only some with Ki can use.</p><p></p><p>But other classes are not that bad to mix this way, and maybe you could assume that when a subclass grants an extra daily use of ability X and you don't have it at all, you can treat it as having 0/day (thus a Fighter with Circle of the Moon gets 0+1=1 wildshapes/day), or if it grants options for ability Y that you don't have, you get 1/day by default (could be the case if you get energy channeling and domain spells).</p><p></p><p>Definitely heavy house rules territory here... but I think it could lead to some interesting character concepts. </p><p></p><p>Feel free to suggest your combos <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> or to point out the troublesome ones!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Li Shenron, post: 6122304, member: 1465"] Just had in mind what Mearls wrote in todays L&L column about re-introducing a sub-class choice to the Fighter class. He mentioned Knight and Gladiator gaining different proficiencies and some unique feature, so probably the whole thing will be totally different from previous Fighting Styles granting maneuvers. Anyway, I got he impression that the [I]Knight[/I] background will be removed and turned into a Fighter-only sub-class choice. No big deal, but for some reason I thought I really liked the idea that anyone could be a knight. I'm not sure, but I think famous non-fighter characters such as Merlin and Gandalf could in fact have been Wizards with a Knight background. I had a minor feeling there, that I was going to miss this little option as a background, and then thought... what if I tried to slap the Knight [I]fighter's theme[/I] (or whatever it will be called) on top of a Wizard, or a Cleric or anybody? Obviously there would need to be a trade-off, something to give up but then the answer was already there: [I]what if you could pick another class' sub-class choice instead of your own[/I]? What if you could play a Wizard that instead of a Tradition has a Fighter's Theme? A Fighter with a Cleric's Deity? A Rogue with a Wizard's Tradition? I'm thinking about [I]house rules[/I] here, no need for the game to officially support this, but rather the DM will check if the combination makes sense. But you know what... [I]most[/I] of them actually do! First of all, the trade-off of course needs to be balanced. Paladin's Oaths are straight inferior (although not too much) than Cleric's Deities, they both grant domain spells and channeling options, but the Deities grant more. Monk's Traditions are the smallest, and they grant only Ki abilities which only some with Ki can use. But other classes are not that bad to mix this way, and maybe you could assume that when a subclass grants an extra daily use of ability X and you don't have it at all, you can treat it as having 0/day (thus a Fighter with Circle of the Moon gets 0+1=1 wildshapes/day), or if it grants options for ability Y that you don't have, you get 1/day by default (could be the case if you get energy channeling and domain spells). Definitely heavy house rules territory here... but I think it could lead to some interesting character concepts. Feel free to suggest your combos :) or to point out the troublesome ones! [/QUOTE]
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