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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Arkhandus" data-source="post: 2279802" data-attributes="member: 13966">Well Pbartender, like Nifft I don't think anyone would take more than 3 levels in it, 6 at most if they really want to wear mithral full plate or something.  Taking 3 levels in your Eldritch Knight, plus 1 level of Fighter beforehand to meet the "proficiency in all martial weapons" prerequisite, means sacrificing 2 caster levels.  Taking 4-6 levels in your EK means giving up 3 caster levels, while taking 7-9 gives up 4 caster levels, and taking all 10 gives up 5 caster levels.  A sorcerer 6/fighter 1/EK 4+ gives up 9th-level magic.  A wizard 5/fighter 1/EK 7+ gives up 9th-level magic.  A sorc 6/ftr 1/EK 10 gives up 8th-level magic.  Any of these will get new spell levels between 2-5 character levels later than normal, regardless.They'll be a second-rate caster (the wiz5/ftr1/EK7 will cast 5th-level spells as a 13th-level character, while the party's bard will be casting 4th-level spells (5th if they have 20+ Cha) and the party's cleric casts 7th-level spells) and a third- or fourth-rate warrior (behind the fighter, the rogue, and possibly also the cleric; their average HP will be slightly less than a rogue because of their sorc/wiz levels, their BAB will be about equal to a rogue's, and they'll have no more than half as many bonus feats as the rogue has sneak attack dice).  They may as well play a cleric, druid, bard, or rogue if they want to be such an almost-halfway-decent warrior while still slinging spells.At 3rd-level in your Eldritch Knight, they'll have -15% ASF; mithral armor will shave off another 10% ASF, so they'll be able to wear a mithral breastplate while casting with impunity.  Even in mithral full plate they'll only suffer 10% ASF after 3 levels of Eldritch Knight.  If they go ftr1/sorc16/EK3, they'll just barely get 9th-level spells, and will only be slightly behind a pure wizard, sorcerer, cleric, or druid in spellcasting while being able to maintain a decent AC and having slightly better accuracy with touch/ray spells.  Their HP will also be slightly better off, and thus those of their familiar too.  They'll still be the party's worst warrior (unless the party has a pure wizard or sorcerer too), but they'll be decent at getting in an occasional jab or two while flanking with the party's rogue, and they just might crawl away after one hard hit in combat rather than dying from one mildly strong hit.Personally, I just want to beef up the Spellsword prestige class a bit to make it viable in 3.5 versus the 3.5 bard and 3.5 eldritch knight.  {:^D</blockquote>

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