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An end to scry-buff-teleport?
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<blockquote data-quote="FourthBear" data-source="post: 3877160" data-attributes="member: 55846"><p>I tend to dislike Scry-Buff-Teleport, but one of my major objections isn't the *PCs* abusing it. It's trying to justify why the NPC villains don't abuse the hell out of it. You can always try to justify your villains spending all of their days in a small area (every time I've worked out the actual area covered by the wards in the game I've thought they're actually damn small) magically warded against Scrying or Teleportation. But what about the PCs? Are they expected to spend their days huddled behind such wards? Why don't the bad guys Scry-Buff-Teleport right back? In most campaigns and adventure paths, the bad guys have ample access to magical teleporation (heck, teleporting outsiders practically infest the Paizo Adventure Paths). I find it hard to justify why the forces of evil don't abuse the hell out of it. And if the DM provides handy, portable protections against such things, why doesn't everyone have them? And if everyone does have them, why did we bother with this whole furshlinger arms race to begin with?</p><p></p><p>IMO, Teleport is the major culprit here. Scrying is found throughout fantasy literature (although I can't recall it ever being quite a reliable as the D&D version). D&D style Teleport Without Error, not so much. Outside of the old sit-com Bewitched and similar comedy fantasy shows, I can't think of many fantasy novels where the characters can casually teleport without error precisely to any spot on the globe they can think of. You can have instant distance transportation very easily without having long distance tactical teleportation. Just use portals/gates. Or have teleportation only work into prepared areas.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="FourthBear, post: 3877160, member: 55846"] I tend to dislike Scry-Buff-Teleport, but one of my major objections isn't the *PCs* abusing it. It's trying to justify why the NPC villains don't abuse the hell out of it. You can always try to justify your villains spending all of their days in a small area (every time I've worked out the actual area covered by the wards in the game I've thought they're actually damn small) magically warded against Scrying or Teleportation. But what about the PCs? Are they expected to spend their days huddled behind such wards? Why don't the bad guys Scry-Buff-Teleport right back? In most campaigns and adventure paths, the bad guys have ample access to magical teleporation (heck, teleporting outsiders practically infest the Paizo Adventure Paths). I find it hard to justify why the forces of evil don't abuse the hell out of it. And if the DM provides handy, portable protections against such things, why doesn't everyone have them? And if everyone does have them, why did we bother with this whole furshlinger arms race to begin with? IMO, Teleport is the major culprit here. Scrying is found throughout fantasy literature (although I can't recall it ever being quite a reliable as the D&D version). D&D style Teleport Without Error, not so much. Outside of the old sit-com Bewitched and similar comedy fantasy shows, I can't think of many fantasy novels where the characters can casually teleport without error precisely to any spot on the globe they can think of. You can have instant distance transportation very easily without having long distance tactical teleportation. Just use portals/gates. Or have teleportation only work into prepared areas. [/QUOTE]
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