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<blockquote data-quote="Kraydak" data-source="post: 3885081" data-attributes="member: 12306">SBT against people with greater teleport is only interesting if you are really generous with the surprise round (and given that the teleportees don't know where they are landing exactly, I'm not sure why you would).&nbsp; You port in, buffed.&nbsp; They port out and return a few tens of minutes later.&nbsp; End result: you are down a bunch of spell slots.*blink*If the PCs *want* to scry on and jump an abyssal basilisk, more power to them.&nbsp; The creature has an int of *3*.&nbsp; You could just as easily Ropetrick-Buff-Exit Ropetrick.&nbsp; Or Fly.&nbsp; Heck, the basilisk has no protection against levitate, a simple second level spell.&nbsp; If you are going to complain about the vulnerability of vermin to SBT, the threat of Fly is far greater.&nbsp; SBT a late arriving spell combo which can only beaten by magic.&nbsp; Flight and Greater invis are lower level and easier to pull off.&nbsp; SBT isn't unique.And no, you certainly aren't forced to use only high level casters as BBEGs.&nbsp; I never said you were.&nbsp; I said you were forced to use people with or with access to people with magic.&nbsp; A lvl 18 fighter BBEG needs magic support.&nbsp; Duh.&nbsp; If your lvl 18 fighter BBEG doesn't bother recruiting magical support, he deserves what he has coming (namely a rapid realization that he never qualified for BBEGdom).</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Kraydak, post: 3885081, member: 12306"] SBT against people with greater teleport is only interesting if you are really generous with the surprise round (and given that the teleportees don't know where they are landing exactly, I'm not sure why you would). You port in, buffed. They port out and return a few tens of minutes later. End result: [B]you[/B] are down a bunch of spell slots. *blink* If the PCs *want* to scry on and jump an abyssal basilisk, more power to them. The creature has an int of *3*. You could just as easily Ropetrick-Buff-Exit Ropetrick. Or Fly. Heck, the basilisk has no protection against [I]levitate[/I], a simple second level spell. If you are going to complain about the vulnerability of vermin to SBT, the threat of [I]Fly[/I] is far greater. SBT a late arriving spell combo which can only beaten by magic. Flight and Greater invis are lower level and easier to pull off. SBT isn't unique. And no, you certainly aren't forced to use only high level casters as BBEGs. I never said you were. I said you were forced to use people with or with access to people with magic. A lvl 18 fighter BBEG needs magic support. Duh. If your lvl 18 fighter BBEG doesn't bother recruiting magical support, he deserves what he has coming (namely a rapid realization that he never qualified for BBEGdom). [/QUOTE]

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