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<blockquote data-quote="Justinian" data-source="post: 1174417" data-attributes="member: 6358">1. PrimalsIn thinking of Primals, I can think of eight original forces, more or less: fire, earth, air, water, light, darkness, space (vacuum), and consciousness (or spirit).That's what you have as the basis of creation. I'm coming up blank on a good ninth to fit that. You could replace consciousness with order, and add chaos, but you said they were all chaotic on some level.&nbsp;2. ChavramDon't forget, if Chavram is a wizard/cleric hybrid, to check out the pale master and true necromancer classes in Defenders of the Faith and Tome and Blood. Both are, if I remember correctly, undead-loving wizard/cleric combos.3. Gith InvasionThe Lich Queen is quite powerful, if I recall. Could killing Aran'gel allow them to resurrect him, reanimate his body, take his consciousness, etc? It's possible that his death would leave his spirit open to a certain number of attacks as well.&nbsp;Alternatively, he could be killed in combat, and a duplicate placed in the elven court for a brief period of time until the news of the battle arrives. The timing would have to be excellent, but it might be worth it.&nbsp;&nbsp;As far as Dravot being able to greater turn powerful undead, that one is relatively easy: Template some moderately powerful undead and use them as shock troops, so their type changes to something else (likely outsider) but they still appear undead. I recently compiled a list of templates from WotC sources that had several dozen in it, and I'm sure there is a template somewhere that undead qualify for.&nbsp;That brings a thought...would a lich wizard who took alienist levels become an outsider? Or any of the other transformational prestige classes, actually.&nbsp;Your story has been a great read so far, and I'm interested to see how far into epic you will go. On that note, do you have updated character statistics for the epic Meepites?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Justinian, post: 1174417, member: 6358"] 1. Primals In thinking of Primals, I can think of eight original forces, more or less: fire, earth, air, water, light, darkness, space (vacuum), and consciousness (or spirit). That's what you have as the basis of creation. I'm coming up blank on a good ninth to fit that. You could replace consciousness with order, and add chaos, but you said they were all chaotic on some level. 2. Chavram Don't forget, if Chavram is a wizard/cleric hybrid, to check out the pale master and true necromancer classes in Defenders of the Faith and Tome and Blood. Both are, if I remember correctly, undead-loving wizard/cleric combos. 3. Gith Invasion The Lich Queen is quite powerful, if I recall. Could killing Aran'gel allow them to resurrect him, reanimate his body, take his consciousness, etc? It's possible that his death would leave his spirit open to a certain number of attacks as well. Alternatively, he could be killed in combat, and a duplicate placed in the elven court for a brief period of time until the news of the battle arrives. The timing would have to be excellent, but it might be worth it. As far as Dravot being able to greater turn powerful undead, that one is relatively easy: Template some moderately powerful undead and use them as shock troops, so their type changes to something else (likely outsider) but they still appear undead. I recently compiled a list of templates from WotC sources that had several dozen in it, and I'm sure there is a template somewhere that undead qualify for. That brings a thought...would a lich wizard who took alienist levels become an outsider? Or any of the other transformational prestige classes, actually. Your story has been a great read so far, and I'm interested to see how far into epic you will go. On that note, do you have updated character statistics for the epic Meepites? [/QUOTE]

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