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<blockquote data-quote="Seule" data-source="post: 1391901" data-attributes="member: 407">It sounds like the Celestials aren't so much becoming neutral as no longer following their deities.&nbsp; They can still remain good while leaving the service of the standard deities, but it may well lose them many of their powers... unless they can find another deity (Ralishaz?) who will 'fund' them.&nbsp; Over time they may well fall from grace, but it sounds like for now they are actually acting more good than their gods are.&nbsp; Ralishaz himself may well grant things like Chaos Hammer rather than Holy Smite, and other chaotic-themed abilities to them... which could come as a nasty shock to any newly-turned celestials who try to use their old abilities.Just imagine it: Some Celestials turn up to help the PCs against demons, and try to lay the holy smackdown, only to find that it's now the chaotic smackdown, and the CE demons are immune... while the LG celestials may not be.&nbsp; Ouch.In general, I believe that celestials will change over time to fit their alignment and role, but if they have just converted, the changes will be subtle.&nbsp; Knowledge Religion or the Planes to realize that something's not right, for example.&nbsp;For more cool templates, Savage Species has a bunch, including Umbral.&nbsp; An Umbral Abyssal dragon would be nasty.&nbsp;Finally, I've always wanted to see the Greyhawk Dragon put in their place.&nbsp; Having one of them corrupted to fight the PCs might be interesting, as well as confirming that they do indeed exist (if they do in your Greyhawk).&nbsp;&nbsp; --Seule</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Seule, post: 1391901, member: 407"] It sounds like the Celestials aren't so much becoming neutral as no longer following their deities. They can still remain good while leaving the service of the standard deities, but it may well lose them many of their powers... unless they can find another deity (Ralishaz?) who will 'fund' them. Over time they may well fall from grace, but it sounds like for now they are actually acting more good than their gods are. Ralishaz himself may well grant things like Chaos Hammer rather than Holy Smite, and other chaotic-themed abilities to them... which could come as a nasty shock to any newly-turned celestials who try to use their old abilities. Just imagine it: Some Celestials turn up to help the PCs against demons, and try to lay the holy smackdown, only to find that it's now the chaotic smackdown, and the CE demons are immune... while the LG celestials may not be. Ouch. In general, I believe that celestials will change over time to fit their alignment and role, but if they have just converted, the changes will be subtle. Knowledge Religion or the Planes to realize that something's not right, for example. For more cool templates, Savage Species has a bunch, including Umbral. An Umbral Abyssal dragon would be nasty. Finally, I've always wanted to see the Greyhawk Dragon put in their place. Having one of them corrupted to fight the PCs might be interesting, as well as confirming that they do indeed exist (if they do in your Greyhawk). --Seule [/QUOTE]

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