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<blockquote data-quote="Rystil Arden" data-source="post: 2081904" data-attributes="member: 29014"><p>Just because I use the word expensive does not mean that I am assuming that players buy magic weapons at a store.&nbsp; I used the value of the item based on the assumption that DMs try to use the average wealth/treasure guidelines in the DMG.&nbsp; Thus, if the DM chooses to drop a +1 wounding rapier in the treasure bin, that's fine, but if the PCs are lower than 7th level, that one item alone is worth more than any one PC should have.&nbsp; If the fighter, as you wisely suggested, gets the best weapon, then that would mean the party has *two* weapons that are each above an entire character's net worth.&nbsp; Realistically, I doubt a DM will give out single weapons worth more than, say, half of the character's net worth with enough frequency that the party has enough to give to the warlock.&nbsp; This means that the warlock will have had access to Eldritch Chain for 3 levels and be ready for Eldritch Cone in 2 levels by the time he has a weapon that has any useful pecial doo-dads to strike around with.&nbsp; Now, you are absolutely right that some rare times there is no opportunity to get in a full attack, you have a powerful weapon for the warlock, and the warlock can't stand at a safe distance and use a better shape invocation, and so if the Hideous Blow power were a free class ability, I might use it once or twice in a campaign, but only in ideal circumstances.&nbsp; Would it be worth it to get this ability for free then?&nbsp; Absolutely.&nbsp; But it is worth one of my few precious invocations known, that I can use at will, to get this ability that I might use a few times?&nbsp; Not at all.&nbsp; And I won't even get into the fact that it decreases your range, makes it not a touch attack, and renders you vulnerable to getting smashed into pulp.</p></blockquote><p></p>

[QUOTE="Rystil Arden, post: 2081904, member: 29014"] Just because I use the word expensive does not mean that I am assuming that players buy magic weapons at a store. I used the value of the item based on the assumption that DMs try to use the average wealth/treasure guidelines in the DMG. Thus, if the DM chooses to drop a +1 wounding rapier in the treasure bin, that's fine, but if the PCs are lower than 7th level, that one item alone is worth more than any one PC should have. If the fighter, as you wisely suggested, gets the best weapon, then that would mean the party has *two* weapons that are each above an entire character's net worth. Realistically, I doubt a DM will give out single weapons worth more than, say, half of the character's net worth with enough frequency that the party has enough to give to the warlock. This means that the warlock will have had access to Eldritch Chain for 3 levels and be ready for Eldritch Cone in 2 levels by the time he has a weapon that has any useful pecial doo-dads to strike around with. Now, you are absolutely right that some rare times there is no opportunity to get in a full attack, you have a powerful weapon for the warlock, and the warlock can't stand at a safe distance and use a better shape invocation, and so if the Hideous Blow power were a free class ability, I might use it once or twice in a campaign, but only in ideal circumstances. Would it be worth it to get this ability for free then? Absolutely. But it is worth one of my few precious invocations known, that I can use at will, to get this ability that I might use a few times? Not at all. And I won't even get into the fact that it decreases your range, makes it not a touch attack, and renders you vulnerable to getting smashed into pulp. [/QUOTE]

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