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<blockquote data-quote="Rystil Arden" data-source="post: 2084407" data-attributes="member: 29014">If you have high Strength and Con, with no good Dex and Cha, you shouldn't be a warlock with Hideous Blow.&nbsp; If you want d6 hit dice, 3/4 BAB, and extra damage dice on your melee attacks without going for the ranged touch attacks, you are correct in your side-note for suggesting sneak attack.&nbsp; If your strength is high enough, there's no point in bothering with the eldritch blast when it eliminates iterative attacks; just go rogue or a warrior-type.&nbsp; Its only in that shadow realm where your weapon damage isn't quite enough to warrant iterative attacking but you are still good enough to risk going toe-toe (generally between 14 and 16 Strength, with 14 or higher Con if you want to live) that Hideous Blow becomes an option at all.&nbsp; You argument is like saying, &quot;Buying the feats for Medium and Heavy Weapon Proficiency is great for the low-dex high-con Rogue who doesn't use Dex-based skills such as Hide&quot; or &quot;Crossbows are good for the low-Strength Barbarian.&quot;&nbsp; Sure, if you try hard enough, you can make a character that can use any option, but they would be better off with another class.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Rystil Arden, post: 2084407, member: 29014"] If you have high Strength and Con, with no good Dex and Cha, you shouldn't be a warlock with Hideous Blow. If you want d6 hit dice, 3/4 BAB, and extra damage dice on your melee attacks without going for the ranged touch attacks, you are correct in your side-note for suggesting sneak attack. If your strength is high enough, there's no point in bothering with the eldritch blast when it eliminates iterative attacks; just go rogue or a warrior-type. Its only in that shadow realm where your weapon damage isn't quite enough to warrant iterative attacking but you are still good enough to risk going toe-toe (generally between 14 and 16 Strength, with 14 or higher Con if you want to live) that Hideous Blow becomes an option at all. You argument is like saying, "Buying the feats for Medium and Heavy Weapon Proficiency is great for the low-dex high-con Rogue who doesn't use Dex-based skills such as Hide" or "Crossbows are good for the low-Strength Barbarian." Sure, if you try hard enough, you can make a character that can use any option, but they would be better off with another class. [/QUOTE]

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