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<blockquote data-quote="zakael19" data-source="post: 9641504" data-attributes="member: 7044099">I think it would be interesting for people who say &quot;well my players have agency, just not like how the OP says&quot; to try and provide what they mean by agency then. If your game isn't structured such that players can state and expect to achieve goals for play/characters by making and enacting them on the game, then what sort of agency are you permitting them?Is it agency of speech? Interaction? Do you have a stated or unstated expectation that players can have agency to enact choices at certain stages of play; just as an example where the Rime of the Frostmaiden AP says &quot;ok, the start of play is a sandbox - pick a direction/rumor within the scope of Icewind Dale and go.&quot;I think that much like [USER=99817]@chaochou[/USER] I've seen lots of folks across the internet talk about how they &quot;facilitate player agency&quot; but don't actually mean that the player(s) have the ability to make fundamental decisions about the direction of play and enact them in a consistent manner.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="zakael19, post: 9641504, member: 7044099"] I think it would be interesting for people who say "well my players have agency, just not like how the OP says" to try and provide what they mean by agency then. If your game isn't structured such that players can state and expect to achieve goals for play/characters by making and enacting them on the game, then what sort of agency are you permitting them? Is it agency of speech? Interaction? Do you have a stated or unstated expectation that players can have agency to enact choices at certain stages of play; just as an example where the Rime of the Frostmaiden AP says "ok, the start of play is a sandbox - pick a direction/rumor within the scope of Icewind Dale and go." I think that much like [USER=99817]@chaochou[/USER] I've seen lots of folks across the internet talk about how they "facilitate player agency" but don't actually mean that the player(s) have the ability to make fundamental decisions about the direction of play and enact them in a consistent manner. [/QUOTE]

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