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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Lanefan" data-source="post: 8999939" data-attributes="member: 29398">If it's an outdoor scene and the GM doesn't at least give passing mention to the weather up front while setting/framing said scene, that seems like poor narration to me.Well, no it isn't.  If the birds are a potential hazard to the climb then their presence alters the odds of succeeding on said climb...meaning if the PCs can see tham (perception check or equivalent?) they ought to be considered as part of the overall situation and the stakes around that.I think that's a bit unfair on [USER=6696971]@Manbearcat[/USER] 's part, in that from the players' viewpoint they may merely be asking for more clarity in the scene narration.  And that's fair - if there's something obvious that the PCs could observe (e.g. the weather, if outdoors) and that might have bearing on or relevance to what happens next then the players really do have a right to be told about it.The birds are a different matter - topographic variabilities make it easy enough for the PCs not to be able to see them until partway up the cliff; thus I've no real issue with their being introduced as a reason for failure.  But if, say, there's a high wind then that's something the PCs would notice long before even getting to the cliff and (one would think) would factor into their thought process once they arrive.That, and it's only natural for the PCs in-character to want to mitigate obstacles and risk where-when they can, isn't it?  You know, self-preservation and all that? <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Did 4e drop the Druid spell "Predict Weather"?Never mind that well over 99% of the time simple observation - as in checking the sky and wind conditions right now - will tell even a commoner what the weather is likely to do in the next hour or so.But yes, absent the spell or equivalent a Nature check (with big bonuses if the checker is a Ranger, Druid, or Nature Cleric) makes sense for any forecast beyond the next few hours.</blockquote>

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