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<blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 6504525" data-attributes="member: 4937">I'm not really familiar with the rules here, but my experienced DM rules lawyer sense is going off reading you and I think you have misinterpreted several steps in your construction and should go back to step one.Normal rule:a) Attack with an improvised weapon.I don't think you are confused on that, but I think you are confused regarding improvised weapons.&nbsp; A two-handed sword is never an improvised great club.&nbsp; It's a two-handed sword.&nbsp; A boat oar or a piece of lumber is an improvised great club.Tavern Brawler Feata) Either attack with an improvised weapon and be proficient in it, OR if it is an improvised weapon treat it as the actual weapon it resembles and apply your proficiencies as if you were actually using a weapon.&nbsp; So in this case:1) Tavern brawler wields a great sword.&nbsp; Not an improvised weapon, so tavern brawler does not apply.&nbsp;&nbsp; He is attacking with a great sword, which he may or may not be proficient in.2) Tavern brawler wields a boat oar.&nbsp; This is an improvised weapon.&nbsp; He may attack with it as an improvised weapon that he is proficient in.3) Tavern brawler wields a boat oar.&nbsp; The DM rules this improvised weapon resembles a great club.&nbsp; The tavern brawler may at his option wield it as an improvised weapon he is proficient in OR as a great club at his choice.&nbsp; But if he wields it as a great club, then his proficiency with a great club - if he has one - is applicable and not his proficiency with improvised weapons.Simple?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Celebrim, post: 6504525, member: 4937"] I'm not really familiar with the rules here, but my experienced DM rules lawyer sense is going off reading you and I think you have misinterpreted several steps in your construction and should go back to step one. Normal rule: a) Attack with an improvised weapon. I don't think you are confused on that, but I think you are confused regarding improvised weapons. A two-handed sword is never an improvised great club. It's a two-handed sword. A boat oar or a piece of lumber is an improvised great club. Tavern Brawler Feat a) Either attack with an improvised weapon and be proficient in it, OR if it is an improvised weapon treat it as the actual weapon it resembles and apply your proficiencies as if you were actually using a weapon. So in this case: 1) Tavern brawler wields a great sword. Not an improvised weapon, so tavern brawler does not apply. He is attacking with a great sword, which he may or may not be proficient in. 2) Tavern brawler wields a boat oar. This is an improvised weapon. He may attack with it as an improvised weapon that he is proficient in. 3) Tavern brawler wields a boat oar. The DM rules this improvised weapon resembles a great club. The tavern brawler may at his option wield it as an improvised weapon he is proficient in OR as a great club at his choice. But if he wields it as a great club, then his proficiency with a great club - if he has one - is applicable and not his proficiency with improvised weapons. Simple? [/QUOTE]

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