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<blockquote data-quote="Umbran" data-source="post: 7867061" data-attributes="member: 177">I think Gaiman's version has some underlying psychological or metaphysical assumptions that aren't clearly explicated. Not quite - those who are in Hell feel they deserve punishment.&nbsp; Some folks believe punishment is due, even with forgiveness.&nbsp; It may be safe to say many feel that there is no forgiveness for their crimes - they either cannot have it or do not deserve it.&nbsp; For all the cases mentioned, they are in fact guilty of nasty things.&nbsp; Lucifer himself is very much about punishing those who are factually guilty.But either way, this would be the nature of subjective morality.&nbsp; You, subjectively, judge your own actions, in your own context.&nbsp; You are not judged by some universal constant or standard.This Lucifer is not the King of Lies.&nbsp; He does not tempt and cheat people into misdeeds, and then punish them for it.&nbsp; He doesn't need to - humans do that all on their own.&nbsp; I cannot recall an instance on the show of him lying.... except to himself about his emotions.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Umbran, post: 7867061, member: 177"] I think Gaiman's version has some underlying psychological or metaphysical assumptions that aren't clearly explicated. Not quite - those who are in Hell feel they deserve punishment. Some folks believe punishment is due, even with forgiveness. It may be safe to say many feel that there is no forgiveness for their crimes - they either cannot have it or do not deserve it. For all the cases mentioned, they are in fact guilty of nasty things. Lucifer himself is very much about punishing those who are factually guilty. But either way, this would be the nature of [I]subjective[/I] morality. You, subjectively, judge your own actions, in your own context. You are not judged by some universal constant or standard. This Lucifer is not the King of Lies. He does not tempt and cheat people into misdeeds, and then punish them for it. He doesn't need to - humans do that all on their own. I cannot recall an instance on the show of him lying.... except to himself about his emotions. [/QUOTE]

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