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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ankh-Morpork Guard" data-source="post: 1842695" data-attributes="member: 10079">I think getting into the realm of 'fogiveness' is missing the point with Anakin. He never DID get forgiveness. He was redeemed, yes, but never actually forgiven. He did chose it, but you have to also look at this from a point of view that works with Star Wars. Circumstances were out of his control. What happened to Anakin happened because OTHERS decided it would happen, and he was used as a pawn(both by the Jedi Order AND Palpatine). Destiny plays a major role in Star Wars. This isn't the Matrix with the whole 'power of choice' <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> That may be where your problem lies. Anakin was NEVER forgiven of what he did, and he never asked for it. But he DID die a good man. He died after finally doing the right thing, redeeming himself by saving his son. Anakin could never have been redeemed if not for Luke, as it took his son being so close to death for him to really open his eyes.But that has no bearing on Anakin and Star Wars at all. Especially beacuse it goes back to forgiveness, which is something that Anakin never recieved.It says that Luke was right when he said that the Emperor hadn't drive then light completely from Vader. No matter how evil he was, there was still good in him. You'll note that Vader isn't the one to transcend. Anakin is. There IS a distinction between the two. Take Obi-Wan's 'certain point of view'. The day Darth Vader was born Anakin Skywalker ceased to be. Following that, the day that Darth Vader died(metaphorically, here), Anakin Skywalker returned and at least redeemed himself by dieing a good man and not the 'more machine than man' that Obi-Wan describes him as.</blockquote>

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