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<blockquote data-quote="Demmero" data-source="post: 2310532" data-attributes="member: 13641"><p>Yes, there's a difference. But does Annakin truly KNOW that Padme is going to die? He had a similar dream concerning his mother, and she DID die. Does one instance make for such a definitive track record that he could know for certain that his dream concerning Padme would come true? But where did these dreams come from? Do they emanate from the Force itself? Or can they be sent by powerful users of the Force (such as Sith lords)? Might Annakin have been able to rescue his mother if he'd heeded the dreams about her earlier? Could Padme's fate have been changed by him being at her side in her time of need?</p><p></p><p>I don't know the answers to these questions. Annakin, for whatever reason, seems to believe that he does.</p><p></p><p>So he turns against the Jedi and aligns himself with the Sith lord Darth Sidious. Because Sidious says that his old master could prevent people from dying, and Annakin's decided that he's got to prevent Padme from dying. The Sith lord asks if the Jedi still teach the tale of his mentor, who learned the power of keeping people from dying (they don't, which most likely means one of two things: 1) such knowledge is forbidden among the Jedi or B) this mentor or his knowledge never existed). Sidious even mentions the irony that his master, who could keep people alive, was nonetheless killed by his apprentice. Sidious seems to have knowledge of Annakin's dreams concerning Padme, even though it appears that Annakin never told him about them.</p><p></p><p>Seriously, this stuff should have sent all sorts of alarms off in Annakin's head. Even if he DOES believe Sidious' story and that the power to conquer death exists...why oh why would he believe that Sidious would give such a power away to his brand new unproven apprentice? Why didn't he use that power to save Darth Maul or Count Dooku? Didn't want to use the power...or doesn't have the power to use in the first place? And Annakin never seems to do any independent investigation into the matter--he just takes Sidious at his word, hearing what he wants to hear.</p><p></p><p>And then he'd still have to find a way of getting Padme to accept him after what he'd done in pursuit of his gift to her.</p><p></p><p>I guess what I'm getting around to saying is that Annakin IS pretty much the scientist who devotes 20 hours a day to find a way to cheat death. It consumes his life, but unlike the guy in my example who doesn't have a life outside his obsession, Annakin still finds time to betray his associates, friends, and wife as well as slaughtering children. His single-mindedness in trying to prevent Padme from dying goes beyond attachment and/or love for his wife. In fact, it's not even about Padme dying--it's all about Annakin himself. He failed in saving his mother and vowed not to fail again. HE's going to become the greatest Jedi ever, HE's going to become all-powerful, conquering even death, HE's going to use that power to save HIS wife and child(ren), etc. No thought about the consequences his actions might have on his wife or others.</p><p></p><p>To my eye, there's very little tragic hero to Annikin; he's an ignorant, weak-willed monster.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Demmero, post: 2310532, member: 13641"] Yes, there's a difference. But does Annakin truly KNOW that Padme is going to die? He had a similar dream concerning his mother, and she DID die. Does one instance make for such a definitive track record that he could know for certain that his dream concerning Padme would come true? But where did these dreams come from? Do they emanate from the Force itself? Or can they be sent by powerful users of the Force (such as Sith lords)? Might Annakin have been able to rescue his mother if he'd heeded the dreams about her earlier? Could Padme's fate have been changed by him being at her side in her time of need? I don't know the answers to these questions. Annakin, for whatever reason, seems to believe that he does. So he turns against the Jedi and aligns himself with the Sith lord Darth Sidious. Because Sidious says that his old master could prevent people from dying, and Annakin's decided that he's got to prevent Padme from dying. The Sith lord asks if the Jedi still teach the tale of his mentor, who learned the power of keeping people from dying (they don't, which most likely means one of two things: 1) such knowledge is forbidden among the Jedi or B) this mentor or his knowledge never existed). Sidious even mentions the irony that his master, who could keep people alive, was nonetheless killed by his apprentice. Sidious seems to have knowledge of Annakin's dreams concerning Padme, even though it appears that Annakin never told him about them. Seriously, this stuff should have sent all sorts of alarms off in Annakin's head. Even if he DOES believe Sidious' story and that the power to conquer death exists...why oh why would he believe that Sidious would give such a power away to his brand new unproven apprentice? Why didn't he use that power to save Darth Maul or Count Dooku? Didn't want to use the power...or doesn't have the power to use in the first place? And Annakin never seems to do any independent investigation into the matter--he just takes Sidious at his word, hearing what he wants to hear. And then he'd still have to find a way of getting Padme to accept him after what he'd done in pursuit of his gift to her. I guess what I'm getting around to saying is that Annakin IS pretty much the scientist who devotes 20 hours a day to find a way to cheat death. It consumes his life, but unlike the guy in my example who doesn't have a life outside his obsession, Annakin still finds time to betray his associates, friends, and wife as well as slaughtering children. His single-mindedness in trying to prevent Padme from dying goes beyond attachment and/or love for his wife. In fact, it's not even about Padme dying--it's all about Annakin himself. He failed in saving his mother and vowed not to fail again. HE's going to become the greatest Jedi ever, HE's going to become all-powerful, conquering even death, HE's going to use that power to save HIS wife and child(ren), etc. No thought about the consequences his actions might have on his wife or others. To my eye, there's very little tragic hero to Annikin; he's an ignorant, weak-willed monster. [/QUOTE]
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