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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Warpiglet-7" data-source="post: 8392176" data-attributes="member: 7025282">When folks debate the roles and capabilities of classes, is it “fair” to include feats in the discussion?for example, a class with medium armor proficiency can easily take ‘heavily armored’ and open up the use of strength as primary attack stat, etcsome classes who are seen as having too few spell slots can get a significant boost from several feats (e.g. from Tasha’s or PHB).discussing GWM and SS…a clas can go from overpowering to much more comparable.I realize not everyone uses feats but I have only played with folks who do.for me, classes are only as bad as their feat-less selves are.just curious about where others set expectations and whether feats are assumed when comparing classes and their effectiveness in different areas</blockquote>