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Message: <blockquote data-quote="GMforPowergamers" data-source="post: 6320989" data-attributes="member: 67338">yea the best part is it cn't even be US VS THEM because there are sooo many layers of intermixed feelings on verisimilitude that it is a million side war...Player 1: Well I have 132hp and that cliff is only 80ft give or take, that's 8d6... less then those fireballs the death knight threw two of last dungeon, I can jump down no problem...Player 2: That's meta gaming, a fall from that hight should kill you..P1: WHY?laterPlayers 2: Cool I rolled a nat 20, and maxed my damage... 117pts, I throst my shortsword through the beasts eye..DM: Ok, on it's turn it bites youPlayer 1: Wait, how if that short sword went throught it's eye into it's brain it has to be dead...later still:Player 1: I missed the goblin, but I still deal 3hpDM: Ok, that kills it, it only had 2 leftPlayer 2: no way, it has to hit to kill it...</blockquote>