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Message: <blockquote data-quote="keterys" data-source="post: 6539134" data-attributes="member: 43019">I've found that 5E PCs feel more powerful than OD&D-2nd edition AD&D PCs at low levels, though I'm not convinced that will hold true at higher levels. High level spell slots in those games could be quite powerful and I haven't done enough high level 5E for comparison.3E/PF PCs feel the strongest to me. That is the most optimizable edition of the game in my experience, and the one that you most have to plan around / take into account the rocket tag concept. You also get nearly free nearly infinite out of combat healing, which is quite a game changer too. 4E PCs are in between those two points, and I'd say they're more powerful than 5E at low levels, and probably less powerful at higher levels, but it depends on your level of optimization.In my general experience, anyways. That said "powerful" and "overpowered" are so darn relative. I want to say 1st edition Lolth had fewer hit points than many CR 4 5E creatures. Certainly less than a Troll, whatever CR it is. 1st edition magic missiles and fireballs could really wreck folks at higher levels, when their damage didn't cap, and hp were fairly low.I can definitely say that sitting at tables with people mostly used to 3E or 4E, I have far more often gotten the impression that 5E characters are on the weak side, rather than the strong side. For every perfect storm action surge bless advantage great weapon user who can move and attack everywhere he needs, there are 99 guys who end up having to eat opportunity attacks to be effective, or dash to get to the combat, can only catch 2 guys in their AE attack, or fail the save to be able to take a relevant action, or fail a Concentration save, or do what feels like a solid amount of damage but isn't enough to "bloody" the troll. I'm not sure that's good or bad. I personally feel like the first 4 levels of the game are intended to be played once, then never played again. There are other people who never play outside of 1st-4th level. Clearly we're looking for very different dnd games.</blockquote>

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