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<blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 6539516" data-attributes="member: 2011"><p>AC does not apply to grapple. And if grappled, he could be 100 to 120 feet above the ground in a single round. Yes, he could Misty Step 30 feet down, but then he'll be prone on the ground taking 14+D6 of damage.</p><p></p><p>Eldritch Knights get Foresight? <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/laugh.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing :lol:" data-shortname=":lol:" /></p><p></p><p>Or is your 17th pal Bard or Warlock or Wizard casting that on him? And why is that PC not casting that 9th level spell on himself? Your entire scenario here only really works at real high levels.</p><p></p><p>What if the Dragon casts Dispel Magic? If it works, oops, tactic lost (and Haste and/or previous Shield automatically get dispelled).</p><p></p><p>The point is, if the PCs have these types of tactics and abilities, a DM is going to give a solo Dragon decent tactics to either counter them, or to make them less effective. Heck, most DMs would never have a solo dragon fight a high level group like this in the first place. Dragons are intelligent. They'll get a group of lesser creatures to attack with them at a minimum.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Why exactly is the Dragon letting the party see it from 600 feet away? Why is the DM playing a 16 Int Dragon stupid?</p><p></p><p>What level fighter is this and why is he getting 5+ attacks per round starting in round one? How is it that he hits the Dragon every time even with -5 to his advantage? How is he coming into the fight with the one action Haste spell already cast? How is that Haste spell surviving the first breath weapon?</p><p></p><p>How is he always doing this? Does the Dragon not have spells too? Can it not cast Greater Invisibility and the Fighter has no clue where it is? Can it not cast Force Cage around the fighter and maybe get a few rounds respite from the longbow of death?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>How many buffs can this theoretical friend in the Ethereal plane keep up? And how exactly is that party member helping if he is on the Ethereal plane? What happens on the round that the Dragon casts Etherealness to get away from the PCs and finds a PC there? That PC quickly goes back to the normal plane and the Dragon then follows the PCs around ethereally for up to 8 hours, just waiting for a chance to do something nasty and unexpected.</p><p></p><p>Or, what if the Dragon figures out that someone is in its domain and casts Etherealness to find out more about such intruders?</p><p></p><p></p><p>It does not matter what abilities PCs have. If a DM is doing a good job to challenge them, the PC tactics are not going to work every single time. The DM will throw monkey wrenches in and set up unexpected twists and turns to his encounters. Or at least, a good DM will do that. He won't allow a few PC combos in the game repeatedly turn Hard encounters into Easy encounters. And he won't let the PCs determine the time and place of every battle. The dragon that went ethereal to escape comes back two weeks later ethereal while the PCs are resting in town and spies on the PCs and then comes up with a plan to take them out one or two at a time.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="KarinsDad, post: 6539516, member: 2011"] AC does not apply to grapple. And if grappled, he could be 100 to 120 feet above the ground in a single round. Yes, he could Misty Step 30 feet down, but then he'll be prone on the ground taking 14+D6 of damage. Eldritch Knights get Foresight? :lol: Or is your 17th pal Bard or Warlock or Wizard casting that on him? And why is that PC not casting that 9th level spell on himself? Your entire scenario here only really works at real high levels. What if the Dragon casts Dispel Magic? If it works, oops, tactic lost (and Haste and/or previous Shield automatically get dispelled). The point is, if the PCs have these types of tactics and abilities, a DM is going to give a solo Dragon decent tactics to either counter them, or to make them less effective. Heck, most DMs would never have a solo dragon fight a high level group like this in the first place. Dragons are intelligent. They'll get a group of lesser creatures to attack with them at a minimum. Why exactly is the Dragon letting the party see it from 600 feet away? Why is the DM playing a 16 Int Dragon stupid? What level fighter is this and why is he getting 5+ attacks per round starting in round one? How is it that he hits the Dragon every time even with -5 to his advantage? How is he coming into the fight with the one action Haste spell already cast? How is that Haste spell surviving the first breath weapon? How is he always doing this? Does the Dragon not have spells too? Can it not cast Greater Invisibility and the Fighter has no clue where it is? Can it not cast Force Cage around the fighter and maybe get a few rounds respite from the longbow of death? How many buffs can this theoretical friend in the Ethereal plane keep up? And how exactly is that party member helping if he is on the Ethereal plane? What happens on the round that the Dragon casts Etherealness to get away from the PCs and finds a PC there? That PC quickly goes back to the normal plane and the Dragon then follows the PCs around ethereally for up to 8 hours, just waiting for a chance to do something nasty and unexpected. Or, what if the Dragon figures out that someone is in its domain and casts Etherealness to find out more about such intruders? It does not matter what abilities PCs have. If a DM is doing a good job to challenge them, the PC tactics are not going to work every single time. The DM will throw monkey wrenches in and set up unexpected twists and turns to his encounters. Or at least, a good DM will do that. He won't allow a few PC combos in the game repeatedly turn Hard encounters into Easy encounters. And he won't let the PCs determine the time and place of every battle. The dragon that went ethereal to escape comes back two weeks later ethereal while the PCs are resting in town and spies on the PCs and then comes up with a plan to take them out one or two at a time. [/QUOTE]
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