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Message: <blockquote data-quote="FrogReaver" data-source="post: 7111288" data-attributes="member: 6795602">So let's take the baseline cleric as my average combatant.  I'm going to let the party be at level 5 and the cleric use a 2d8 damage cantrip.  The clerics average damage is 9 per turn.  ***The reason I chose level 5 is because it's the first time melee fighters and clerics get really differentiated in damage.  I didn't go higher level because most players and campaigns spend the most time between level 5-10 in my experience.A Maul using fighter will do 24.33 damage per turn with a few extra damage increasing tricks up his sleeve.  This comes out to 2.7 times the clerics damage.  A sword and board fighter will do 21 which is 2.33 times the clerics damage.  A rogue with sneak attack will do 18 damage which is 2 times.  A Wizard will do 2d10 which is 1.22 times the damage.  A caster druid will do similar to the cleric.So the Damages are now as followsDruid 100%cleric 100%GWF 270%Shield Fighter 230% (rounded here to make calculations easier)Rogue 200%Wizard 120% (rounded here to make calculations easier)That's 1020% cleric base damage per round.  That's 4080 cleric base damage per fight.Assuming cleric goes before party in initiative:Let's see what happens with bless: 1095% cleric base damage on first turn and 1195% cleric base damage per turn after.  That totals to 4680% base damage.  That's about 15% more party damage than the cleric that just uses cantrips.Let's look at a cleric damage spell.  Inflict wounds does 16.5 average damage.  That's 183% cleric base damage on turn 1.  By the end of the combat that's still over 12% more damage using bless than not using bless and only a very slight amount of damage more for the inflict wounds character at level 1.That said, I looked at comparing first level spell uses.  Level 3+ spells likely greatly outperform bless.  I can't imagine any single target damage level 2 spells outperforming bless either.  Not even spiritual weapon.I would call a 15% increase on party attack damage very significant.  Bless is a strong level 1 spell.  I'm not sure if that makes it very strong.  Something like Spirit Guardians even a single enemy would inflict about 225% of the clerics average attack DPR every turn and he can still attack with it up all turns but the first.  That's like 800% more dpr over 4 rounds than a base cleric.  That's like 20% more party damage with that spell and even more with multiple enemies present.  So yes, bless is good but still doesn't really compete with your higher level spells.  Not that I think anyone ever claimed it competed with higher level spells.  Using a level 1 bless on the clerics first turn is about 3/4's as effective as a level 3 spirit guardians on a single foe.  It will be more powerful than level 2 spiritual weapon.Oh and yes I still need to compute the worst case of the cleric going last and see how that changes things.</blockquote>

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