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Message: <blockquote data-quote="FrogReaver" data-source="post: 7112261" data-attributes="member: 6795602">1.  I'm not even going to comment on how silly it is to bring up a 1 character party.  Like seriously that's the best objection you can find?2.  A party with 2 characters.  Let's look at that.  I'll take the lowest and highest damage characters from my 6 character example.  Since there are only 2 characters both get blessed.  100% and 270%.  That's 1480% over 4 rounds.  If both are bless the damage goes up to 16.5%.  Didn't I compute 15% for the 6 man party?  LOL.  The smaller party size actually did slightly better with bless even though I only had 1 good target for bless.What was you saying again about lower player parties benefiting significantly less from bless?  As long as the 50-50 split of strong attacking characters vs weak attacking characters is kept bless will stay roughly equal in any realistic party composition.3.  I agreed with you that bless does more with extra abilities added in and you reply with "I addressed this".  Come on man.  There's no need post something and then when someone agrees with you to say "I already said that".  Like what the heck are you even going for with your comment?  Just trying to make me mad?4.  It's easy if you know what abilities or combinations of abilities you want to compare.  I'm not sure why you would dispute that.  So I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that you mean its not easy to do a total comparison of all abilities because there are a lot of them and it would take forever in which case you would be right.  But why even bring that up.  Do you just enjoy bringing up super obvious things even when it's obvious if you take 2 seconds and think about what someone is saying that they obviously aren't speaking of things in the way you are trying to disagree about.4b.  I agree.  You are correct.  There are many abilities and situations that detract from blesses usefulness.5.  If you were saying that bless is good when attacking with disadvantage because you have a lower effective chance to hit pre d4 bless dice then I misunderstood and I am sorry.  Looks like we both agree here as well <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />6.  In regards to the -5/+10 feat Very Powerful yes.  OP possibly.  You may not like the term OP and many don't because it doesn't really convey as much information as the speaker thinks it conveys.  There are different types of OP as I brought up earlier in a reply to another poster.  I'm fairly certain we all can already agree that bless is probably the best level 1 spell in the game.  It may not be the best in every situation etc.... but I can't think of many level 1 spells that start of solid and scale like bless does.  In some sense it being the best level one spell in the game makes it OP.  However, that isn't the kind of OPness we are really talking about.  If bless as a level 1 spell was pretty much the only spell worth casting for damage in every tier of the game even when comparing higher tier spells then we have a problem.  I actually think it may end up being that way with 2-3 power attack characters and a few magic items.  Do you think it's impossible for it to reach that level of effectiveness for bless?  I think it's possible but I would have to do the analysis on it to find out for sure.7.  If I understand you correctly you say that you don't think bless is situationally better than a 3rd level spell like spirit guardians.  Instead of arguing that case and telling me why bless is not situationally better than those you instead tell me about specific situations where spirit guardians and revifify are better than bless.  Your not giving valid points that support your stance there.  Everything you said is true about spirit guardians and revifify being situationally better than bless but you didn't show that bless was not situationally better than them.8.  Maybe you shouldn't be so quick to say I disagree and maybe you shouldn't be so quick to say "i already said that"?</blockquote>

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