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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Roger" data-source="post: 3567163" data-attributes="member: 17420">I started off thinking these were too powerful, but the more I look at them, the more reasonable they seem.Let's consider the impact by class:Barbarian:  Unlikely, but a weird high-Int build might be possible.  He could be really Intimidating, which I can't fault.Bard:  A high-Int bard would have lots of skill points.  LOTS.  Probably too many to really use effectively, is my sense of it.  He still needs a Charisma of 10 + spell level for his spells, so it doesn't entirely become a dump stat.  His Bardic Knowledge would be fearsome.Cleric:  Doesn't really benefit much from this.  Won't help his Turn Undead abilities, I don't think.Druid:  Not much help here, either.  (As an aside, I'm not entirely sure this feat should apply to Handle Animal (Cha), but it's such a minor point that it might not be worth special-casing.)  I think it helps his Wild Empathy ("this ability functions just like a Diplomacy check") although some clarification wouldn't hurt.Fighter:  Not much help.  Note they're not valid as fighter bonus feats.Monk:  Not much help.Paladin:  Won't help his Divine Grace or his Laying On of Hands.  It could help him get the skill points to be really Diplomatic and such, which sounds alright.  Ranger:  Might help him get the Whole Lotta Skill Points, but I think there's some diminishing returns in practice.  Like the Druid, it may help his Wild Empathy.  Rogue:  A Charisma-dumped rogue would be more viable.  He'd have a fistful of skill points.  Relatively-obscure skills like Forgery might see some purchase.Sorcerer:  He still needs Charisma to qualify to cast his spells, so I'd be surprised if a sorcerer would consider this feat.Wizard:  A wizard could become much more social.  And he could bulk up on UMD, which I think has some potential.In the scheme of the party:The main talker is still as likely as not to be the bard with his high Charisma score.  Without a bard, it might still fall to the high-Charisma sorcerer or paladin.If the party has none of those classes represented, or they're built to be anti-social, a wizard might be persuaded to spend a precious feat on this.  Or he could serve as the backup spokesperson in emergencies.  If a party realizes that they really need someone who can talk to other people, they can buy that capability with this, without needed to drastically re-engineer an existing character or bringing in a new character.A reasonable use might be to build a wizard cohort with this feat.  This may let some parties treat chatty encounters as NPC-on-NPC, which I can see as appealing to certain groups.All in all, I wouldn't hesitate to let one of my players take one or both of these feats if he really wanted to, although I'd be surprised.Cheers,Roger</blockquote>

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