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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ferratus" data-source="post: 5981096" data-attributes="member: 55966">Eh, I'm not going to do a research paper to win an argument on the internet.   As I said, where are you getting the extra force from to support the claim that a spear does more damage in a thrust than a dagger?   Answer me that, and I'll see if I can disprove that with some proper citations.Yes, but you are claiming that automatically a two-handed sword is going to make a deeper wound than a dagger in a glancing blow.   However, a two-handed sword hitting a region doesn't necessarily mean that it will automatically do more damage.   A two handed sword blow against the ribs might break several, but not penetrate that deeply.  A two-handed sword might bounce off the collarbone.   In those two regions a dagger would penetrate deep into your torso and murder you. Likewise yes, a blow to the hand or leg with a dagger can be fended off with your hands and feet with minor injuries while a two handed sword would use its mass and cutting power to sever the limb.   But there are so many variables of how you fight, what you strike, and how well you are armoured, that I don't think you can say in abolute terms.Yeah, rapiers can be thought of as fancied up estocs or arming swords.  Advances in metallurgy allowed blades to become thinner and still maintain their strength, and slipping into gaps of armoured opponents was the initial reason.    Plus, you are also seeing the fact that thrusting swords with reach were favoured by lightly armoured men for speed and accuracy.   Modern people tend to treat rapiers as toys, but they are actually a very deadly sword and fencing is a very deadly martial art.But that isn't always true (see above).Maybe, or maybe he would have been slow enough with that bigger weapon that you could use your crowbar to block him or dodge so the wound was similarily light.   Perhaps if you connected with the ribs or the thigh with your club instead of the knee, he would have taken the blow and stabbed you in the ribs or thigh, either of which could have killed you.  But nothing in that fight makes me believe that a your club (1d6) is a more effective weapon than his knife (1d3) in absolute terms, as it is in D&D.   I'll accept that a knife when used against the limbs isn't a very effective weapon, but then neither is a club... but D&D has it do twice as much damage anyway.</blockquote>

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