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<blockquote data-quote="Bhaal" data-source="post: 457851" data-attributes="member: 8702"><p>I usually allow an applicable knowledge check (religion, arcane, nature, ...) if the spellcasters botch their spellcraft rolls.&nbsp; But only if they have it and can cast those types of spells.&nbsp; So if the cleric screws up his spellcraft to see if a temple altar has any spells on it, he can make a knowledge religion to surmise that there is probably some sort of consecration/blessed type of spell on this particular type of temple altar (provided that roll was ok).&nbsp; I'm usually pretty vague, and limit it to spells on objects (or living things) that the character might consider that another similar spellcaster would cast.&nbsp; So if the party comes across a magical tree, the druid/ranger can try knowledge nature (after a bad spellcraft) to see if the character can make an educated guess on what types of spells would be good candidates to cast on a tree.&nbsp; Sure, the players can metagame that to an extent, but with the check they know for certain that it's been narrowed down.</p></blockquote><p></p>

[QUOTE="Bhaal, post: 457851, member: 8702"] I usually allow an applicable knowledge check (religion, arcane, nature, ...) if the spellcasters botch their spellcraft rolls. But only if they have it and can cast those types of spells. So if the cleric screws up his spellcraft to see if a temple altar has any spells on it, he can make a knowledge religion to surmise that there is probably some sort of consecration/blessed type of spell on this particular type of temple altar (provided that roll was ok). I'm usually pretty vague, and limit it to spells on objects (or living things) that the character might consider that another similar spellcaster would cast. So if the party comes across a magical tree, the druid/ranger can try knowledge nature (after a bad spellcraft) to see if the character can make an educated guess on what types of spells would be good candidates to cast on a tree. Sure, the players can metagame that to an extent, but with the check they know for certain that it's been narrowed down. [/QUOTE]

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