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<blockquote data-quote="BASHMAN" data-source="post: 4031583" data-attributes="member: 8277"><p>I'm curious-- how is this different from 3.0? A lot of the negativity I think regarding Wizards' tactics regarding 4e is that people are comparing it to how awesome they were about releasing 3e and comparing them. </p><p></p><p>If 3e had a Gaming System Licsence, we would have said, "Oh, cool, people can make their own D&D products!". But because 3e had an Open Gaming License, which allowed people to make their own game systems based on D&D, a Gaming System License looks restrictive & mean-spirited by comparison.</p><p></p><p>I bet when 3e was coming out, people would have been thrilled to get a preview book telling them that there will be some new class called the Sorcerer, and that Barbarians, Monks, and Half-Orcs were back in the core. However, 3e testors were filling Eric Noah's site full of "black pages" that essentially were the entire SRD of 3e before the books were ever released, and Dragon magazine was giving up a lot of stuff in those Countdown articles, people seeing the tidbits released now compare it and say, "what a gyp! $15 for preview books that don't have any game mechanics at all? WHere are my black pages?"</p><p></p><p>In essence, I think the open-awesomeness of 3e's release has "spoiled" us-- and now that 4e's business model is trying to go "back to normal" instead of "open", people are feeling somehow cheated. </p><p></p><p>Now with 3e I don't remember hearing about any "censorship" of people's playtest reports, but I also don't remember reading any playtest reports that were negative at all either...</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="BASHMAN, post: 4031583, member: 8277"] I'm curious-- how is this different from 3.0? A lot of the negativity I think regarding Wizards' tactics regarding 4e is that people are comparing it to how awesome they were about releasing 3e and comparing them. If 3e had a Gaming System Licsence, we would have said, "Oh, cool, people can make their own D&D products!". But because 3e had an Open Gaming License, which allowed people to make their own game systems based on D&D, a Gaming System License looks restrictive & mean-spirited by comparison. I bet when 3e was coming out, people would have been thrilled to get a preview book telling them that there will be some new class called the Sorcerer, and that Barbarians, Monks, and Half-Orcs were back in the core. However, 3e testors were filling Eric Noah's site full of "black pages" that essentially were the entire SRD of 3e before the books were ever released, and Dragon magazine was giving up a lot of stuff in those Countdown articles, people seeing the tidbits released now compare it and say, "what a gyp! $15 for preview books that don't have any game mechanics at all? WHere are my black pages?" In essence, I think the open-awesomeness of 3e's release has "spoiled" us-- and now that 4e's business model is trying to go "back to normal" instead of "open", people are feeling somehow cheated. Now with 3e I don't remember hearing about any "censorship" of people's playtest reports, but I also don't remember reading any playtest reports that were negative at all either... [/QUOTE]
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