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<blockquote data-quote="Snarf Zagyg" data-source="post: 8031051" data-attributes="member: 7023840"><p>Sarcasm seems to be your truth?</p><p></p><p>The point is that it is easy to say, today, "Hey, racism is bad." You can make it all fancy-like with jargon, but it's not exactly Profiles in Courage time.</p><p></p><p>It's a lot harder to speak out with a really unpopular opinion that will cost you your job, or possibly your life.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>This is facile and offensive. You are familiar with the phrase, "You can beat the charge, but you can't beat the ride," right?</p><p></p><p>So I assume when someone says that to you in the context of issues with the police, your response is, "Well, that doesn't really matter, because all of that 'due process' stuff matters when you are brought before a court, so as long as the police get you in fromt of a judge, eventually, it's fine that they arrested you without cause knowing that you'd have to spend the weekend in jail ... and now you've lost your job. Nothing to see here!"</p><p></p><p>I already said that I fully understand the difference at play here, so you trying to once again forumsplain this to me is not well taken. There is a distinction between de facto and de jure.</p><p></p><p>Or, as I said, and as you completely ignored, that there were real consequences if you lived in a place and tried to assist same-sex couples adopt when that was against the law; or trans people attend the high school prom. This, and so much more, was not just censored by de jure government regulation, but by de facto repercussions within the community. It wasn't just hard to be gay or trans because of government censorship, you know. And it wasn't hard to find positive role models ... because of government censorship. And the repercussion you would feel weren't from da gummint- it was from your supposed friends, your family, and your neighbors.</p><p></p><p>Which is why (again, ignoring the points that I actually made) even though there was no de jure laws keeping representation of gay and trans individuals (or even representations of other areas of diversity) there was de facto censorship that kept this representation out of, inter alia, TTRPGs.</p><p></p><p>So to bend it around to my original point, the principle of free speech (which is not just an issue of the Bill of Rights in America, but a bona fide principle that has applications outside of the narrow application in Constitutional law) which is something that has allowed progress and representations that I want and believe in, is not something I will lightly discard when it is convenient, despite your condescension.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Snarf Zagyg, post: 8031051, member: 7023840"] Sarcasm seems to be your truth? The point is that it is easy to say, today, "Hey, racism is bad." You can make it all fancy-like with jargon, but it's not exactly Profiles in Courage time. It's a lot harder to speak out with a really unpopular opinion that will cost you your job, or possibly your life. This is facile and offensive. You are familiar with the phrase, "You can beat the charge, but you can't beat the ride," right? So I assume when someone says that to you in the context of issues with the police, your response is, "Well, that doesn't really matter, because all of that 'due process' stuff matters when you are brought before a court, so as long as the police get you in fromt of a judge, eventually, it's fine that they arrested you without cause knowing that you'd have to spend the weekend in jail ... and now you've lost your job. Nothing to see here!" I already said that I fully understand the difference at play here, so you trying to once again forumsplain this to me is not well taken. There is a distinction between de facto and de jure. Or, as I said, and as you completely ignored, that there were real consequences if you lived in a place and tried to assist same-sex couples adopt when that was against the law; or trans people attend the high school prom. This, and so much more, was not just censored by de jure government regulation, but by de facto repercussions within the community. It wasn't just hard to be gay or trans because of government censorship, you know. And it wasn't hard to find positive role models ... because of government censorship. And the repercussion you would feel weren't from da gummint- it was from your supposed friends, your family, and your neighbors. Which is why (again, ignoring the points that I actually made) even though there was no de jure laws keeping representation of gay and trans individuals (or even representations of other areas of diversity) there was de facto censorship that kept this representation out of, inter alia, TTRPGs. So to bend it around to my original point, the principle of free speech (which is not just an issue of the Bill of Rights in America, but a bona fide principle that has applications outside of the narrow application in Constitutional law) which is something that has allowed progress and representations that I want and believe in, is not something I will lightly discard when it is convenient, despite your condescension. [/QUOTE]
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