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<blockquote data-quote="Bedrockgames" data-source="post: 8031249" data-attributes="member: 85555"><p>They don't have to. No one is saying this is a 1st amendment violation. They are saying it is a free speech and free expression issue and that calls to take down a work that is still being published are a form of censorship. Just think through other potential scenarios. What if an angry religious group demanded Dungeons and Dragons be removed from shelves or stripped of any supernatural content because they felt it promoted satanism? Something quite like that happened in the 80s, and I would label the calls by such people for the content to be removed as a demands for censoring content, and limiting peoples access to it. I think it is similar here because the request is for WOTC to completely stop publishing it on moral grounds, so that people can no longer buy it from them. That just leaves whatever books are still in circulation, or pirated copies (which as many have pointed out, are illegal). Or take it outside of roleplaying and use my example about the Godfather. If a group of Irish activists protested the depiction of McCluskey, or if Italian American activists demanded Random House stop publishing it (or stores stop selling it) because it stereotypes italians as gangsters, I think those would be calls for censorship. And whatever we call it, the result, if the publisher submitted to the pressure, would be a great work of literature could become difficult to impossible to buy (as available copies in circulation went down, you'd see prices go up, so people could, at the very least, no longer have access to this work at an affordable price). And these kinds of pressure campaigns can swing in any direction if you have enough people behind them. In some instances it may be over concerns you agree with, but there will be times people will use these campaigns to take down things like LBGT content, or content that is critical of the current president. You see that sort of thing with platforms like ClearChannel and Walmart. </p><p></p><p>I agree with the ACLU's definition of censorship, because I think it is one that reflects the realities of what these kinds of pressure campaigns can do: </p><p></p><p>"Censorship, the suppression of words, images, or ideas that are "offensive," happens whenever some people succeed in imposing their personal political or moral values on others. Censorship can be carried out by the government as well as private pressure groups. Censorship by the government is unconstitutional."</p><p></p><p>I am not saying people can't be offended by OA. Like I said early in the thread, discussions about the content are good to have. It is helpful for us to talk about what the content means, provided we are listening to everyone. But when you move from that, to trying to take other peoples ability to buy the book away, then I think you are imposing your morality on others, and you are engaging in a form of censorship.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Bedrockgames, post: 8031249, member: 85555"] They don't have to. No one is saying this is a 1st amendment violation. They are saying it is a free speech and free expression issue and that calls to take down a work that is still being published are a form of censorship. Just think through other potential scenarios. What if an angry religious group demanded Dungeons and Dragons be removed from shelves or stripped of any supernatural content because they felt it promoted satanism? Something quite like that happened in the 80s, and I would label the calls by such people for the content to be removed as a demands for censoring content, and limiting peoples access to it. I think it is similar here because the request is for WOTC to completely stop publishing it on moral grounds, so that people can no longer buy it from them. That just leaves whatever books are still in circulation, or pirated copies (which as many have pointed out, are illegal). Or take it outside of roleplaying and use my example about the Godfather. If a group of Irish activists protested the depiction of McCluskey, or if Italian American activists demanded Random House stop publishing it (or stores stop selling it) because it stereotypes italians as gangsters, I think those would be calls for censorship. And whatever we call it, the result, if the publisher submitted to the pressure, would be a great work of literature could become difficult to impossible to buy (as available copies in circulation went down, you'd see prices go up, so people could, at the very least, no longer have access to this work at an affordable price). And these kinds of pressure campaigns can swing in any direction if you have enough people behind them. In some instances it may be over concerns you agree with, but there will be times people will use these campaigns to take down things like LBGT content, or content that is critical of the current president. You see that sort of thing with platforms like ClearChannel and Walmart. I agree with the ACLU's definition of censorship, because I think it is one that reflects the realities of what these kinds of pressure campaigns can do: "Censorship, the suppression of words, images, or ideas that are "offensive," happens whenever some people succeed in imposing their personal political or moral values on others. Censorship can be carried out by the government as well as private pressure groups. Censorship by the government is unconstitutional." I am not saying people can't be offended by OA. Like I said early in the thread, discussions about the content are good to have. It is helpful for us to talk about what the content means, provided we are listening to everyone. But when you move from that, to trying to take other peoples ability to buy the book away, then I think you are imposing your morality on others, and you are engaging in a form of censorship. [/QUOTE]
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