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<blockquote data-quote="Todd Roybark" data-source="post: 8032054" data-attributes="member: 6920677"><p>[USER=7023840]@Snarf Zagyg[/USER] mentioned me, and a post I made. Thank you for the kind words. These threads have gotten exhausting. Snarf, thank you, for being conscientious. This is a very nuanced issue, and wether someone agrees or disagrees with your positions, you are respectful, and engaging earnestly.</p><p></p><p>Mercurius, how is this uncharted territory?</p><p>The racism of REH sold well, and was most likely encouraged by the editors of Weird Tales and other publications.</p><p>There are no Black Conan stories published in 1933, with Black Conan defeating hordes of celts through inborn racial purity. Conan is the best, per the text of the stories, due to his Cimmerian race.</p><p></p><p>The Asian Exclusion Act denied birth citizenship to Chinese Americans...people born in the USA. The Palmer Raids <em>illegally</em> revoked the citizenship of naturalized Russian and Italian citizens.</p><p></p><p>What is new for some is the white, Protestant, plurality....is no longer the plurality.</p><p></p><p>I can see, how if one is used to one's voice being dominant, or the only singular voice allowed to speak, this would feel unprecedented and very dangerous.</p><p></p><p><em>If you voice belongs to a group that was expected to be silent, or erased, <em>then</em> one group controlling the expression or non expression of your existence is as precedented as the Sun rising in the East and setting in the West.</em></p><p></p><p>I can't agree to that. I trust your intentions are good, but locality matters. Los Angeles is a city of immigrants, for white people. The white person you meet in Westwood or Santa Monica, could have moved to Los Angeles 2 years ago. The person of color you see might have family roots that go back 100 years, in Los Angeles.</p><p></p><p>For 1st generation Americans, asking "where are you from" is deeply offensive. Already, they often feel treated as both: not American, and Not from where their parents came from.</p><p>The question may be correct where you live, not where I live.</p><p></p><p>I will add this aside, my spouse is an immigrant to the USA. To native born US Citizens she has no accent, she sounds like she lived in the US her whole life, due to immigrating young.</p><p>When we go to the U.K., people always inquire "Where are you from?" because to the U.K. ear she does not have an US accent. In this context, the question has never seemed offensive.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Stefano, I take your words at face value. I think it is <em>quite possible</em></p><p>you would prefer a world with racism, and you know what fascism is.</p><p></p><p>Many of the viewpoints, of some of the posters that have identified themselves as Italians, strike me as insular.</p><p>Cultures are different, blessedly different. Yet, I have met, and in some cases, known well, people from Italy. <em>Their views were not so insular</em>. There can be many reasons for this.</p><p></p><p>Many trade unionists in the German Weimar Republic, thought the same thing.</p><p>In the end, the violence between National Socialists and Trade Unionists/Communists, left more dead on the Trade Unionist side.</p><p>It also had the horrible effect, that the violence in the streets pushed the traditional German Conservative party to make an alliance with the National Socialist to protect Law and Order and Property Rights.</p><p>The TL;DR of this history.......Hitler was elected Chancellor.</p><p>Indiscriminate punching of Nazis is ok in Castle Wolfenstein, in real life, the unintended consequences can be disastrous.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Todd Roybark, post: 8032054, member: 6920677"] [USER=7023840]@Snarf Zagyg[/USER] mentioned me, and a post I made. Thank you for the kind words. These threads have gotten exhausting. Snarf, thank you, for being conscientious. This is a very nuanced issue, and wether someone agrees or disagrees with your positions, you are respectful, and engaging earnestly. Mercurius, how is this uncharted territory? The racism of REH sold well, and was most likely encouraged by the editors of Weird Tales and other publications. There are no Black Conan stories published in 1933, with Black Conan defeating hordes of celts through inborn racial purity. Conan is the best, per the text of the stories, due to his Cimmerian race. The Asian Exclusion Act denied birth citizenship to Chinese Americans...people born in the USA. The Palmer Raids [I]illegally[/I] revoked the citizenship of naturalized Russian and Italian citizens. What is new for some is the white, Protestant, plurality....is no longer the plurality. I can see, how if one is used to one's voice being dominant, or the only singular voice allowed to speak, this would feel unprecedented and very dangerous. [I]If you voice belongs to a group that was expected to be silent, or erased, [I]then[/I] one group controlling the expression or non expression of your existence is as precedented as the Sun rising in the East and setting in the West.[/I] I can't agree to that. I trust your intentions are good, but locality matters. Los Angeles is a city of immigrants, for white people. The white person you meet in Westwood or Santa Monica, could have moved to Los Angeles 2 years ago. The person of color you see might have family roots that go back 100 years, in Los Angeles. For 1st generation Americans, asking "where are you from" is deeply offensive. Already, they often feel treated as both: not American, and Not from where their parents came from. The question may be correct where you live, not where I live. I will add this aside, my spouse is an immigrant to the USA. To native born US Citizens she has no accent, she sounds like she lived in the US her whole life, due to immigrating young. When we go to the U.K., people always inquire "Where are you from?" because to the U.K. ear she does not have an US accent. In this context, the question has never seemed offensive. Stefano, I take your words at face value. I think it is [I]quite possible[/I] you would prefer a world with racism, and you know what fascism is. Many of the viewpoints, of some of the posters that have identified themselves as Italians, strike me as insular. Cultures are different, blessedly different. Yet, I have met, and in some cases, known well, people from Italy. [I]Their views were not so insular[/I]. There can be many reasons for this. Many trade unionists in the German Weimar Republic, thought the same thing. In the end, the violence between National Socialists and Trade Unionists/Communists, left more dead on the Trade Unionist side. It also had the horrible effect, that the violence in the streets pushed the traditional German Conservative party to make an alliance with the National Socialist to protect Law and Order and Property Rights. The TL;DR of this history.......Hitler was elected Chancellor. Indiscriminate punching of Nazis is ok in Castle Wolfenstein, in real life, the unintended consequences can be disastrous. [/QUOTE]
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