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<blockquote data-quote="Panda-s1" data-source="post: 8032704" data-attributes="member: 59554"><p>okay first of all it's laughable to assume everyone is gonna go out of there way to read other books about the game they're about to play. I know some people are HUGE NERDS about D&D and making their settings, but that's not everyone.</p><p></p><p>1) that doesn't mean it doesn't happen, 2) it just so happens that the D&D brand of fantasy caught on in Japan, so much so that the genre as presented by games like D&D and Wizardry became the standard for Japanese fantasy stories. today your typical fantasy setting from a manga might barely resemble a medieval European society, but the underpinnings are still obvious.</p><p></p><p>same for us, D&D is still an American game, but it's not like the omission of classes like cowboy* and superhero** in a European-themed fantasy game is a huge issue to American gamers, and yet there are many RPGs covering both genres.</p><p></p><p>I mean if he's cool with it, more power to him. if he wants less trivial roles, then that sucks. but to put things into perspective, imagine being an Asian American actor in a community that's been around for over a century, but the only role you can reasonably hope for is "token Asian guy" and you still might be passed over for someone not at all remotely Asian. and even if you do get the role you have to sit with the fact that it might not advance your career, meanwhile somebody else might get a lesser part that starts them down the path to stardom. up until recently this has been the case for most Asian Americans, and the existence of actors like George Takei and Lucy Liu doesn't change this fact.</p><p></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px">*I guess AD&D does mention crossing over with Boot Hill, but that's considered weird even by what the book itself says.</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px">**yes, I know in Chainmail you could have a unit called "Super hero", you can't gotcha me.</span></p><p></p><p><img class="smilie smilie--emoji" alt="🤣" src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f923.png" title="Rolling on the floor laughing :rofl:" data-shortname=":rofl:" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" /></p><p>okay so, let me get this straight. someone like you who is in the RPG community didn't think the game had problems, but now that others in the community are pointing out problems you're worried? "I think a lot of people, myself included, simply don't think games have that kind of power" did it ever occur to you that maybe you're <em>wrong</em>? that maybe a game that you enjoy that caters to people like you might not be as good when viewed on the inside with a different perspective?</p><p></p><p>EDIT: I want to emphasize I'm not <em>explicitly </em>saying you're wrong, I'm just pointing out that you aren't apparently willing to accept the idea that differing views from other gamers are possibly valid.</p><p></p><p>sorry, no, that's not how that works. if someone calls me a g**k or a ch*nk (or also in my particular case a b**ner as well) I don't get to decide whether or not it's an insult, it was already decided by the person who called me that. that's not how that works.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Panda-s1, post: 8032704, member: 59554"] okay first of all it's laughable to assume everyone is gonna go out of there way to read other books about the game they're about to play. I know some people are HUGE NERDS about D&D and making their settings, but that's not everyone. 1) that doesn't mean it doesn't happen, 2) it just so happens that the D&D brand of fantasy caught on in Japan, so much so that the genre as presented by games like D&D and Wizardry became the standard for Japanese fantasy stories. today your typical fantasy setting from a manga might barely resemble a medieval European society, but the underpinnings are still obvious. same for us, D&D is still an American game, but it's not like the omission of classes like cowboy* and superhero** in a European-themed fantasy game is a huge issue to American gamers, and yet there are many RPGs covering both genres. I mean if he's cool with it, more power to him. if he wants less trivial roles, then that sucks. but to put things into perspective, imagine being an Asian American actor in a community that's been around for over a century, but the only role you can reasonably hope for is "token Asian guy" and you still might be passed over for someone not at all remotely Asian. and even if you do get the role you have to sit with the fact that it might not advance your career, meanwhile somebody else might get a lesser part that starts them down the path to stardom. up until recently this has been the case for most Asian Americans, and the existence of actors like George Takei and Lucy Liu doesn't change this fact. [SIZE=2]*I guess AD&D does mention crossing over with Boot Hill, but that's considered weird even by what the book itself says. **yes, I know in Chainmail you could have a unit called "Super hero", you can't gotcha me.[/SIZE] 🤣 okay so, let me get this straight. someone like you who is in the RPG community didn't think the game had problems, but now that others in the community are pointing out problems you're worried? "I think a lot of people, myself included, simply don't think games have that kind of power" did it ever occur to you that maybe you're [I]wrong[/I]? that maybe a game that you enjoy that caters to people like you might not be as good when viewed on the inside with a different perspective? EDIT: I want to emphasize I'm not [I]explicitly [/I]saying you're wrong, I'm just pointing out that you aren't apparently willing to accept the idea that differing views from other gamers are possibly valid. sorry, no, that's not how that works. if someone calls me a g**k or a ch*nk (or also in my particular case a b**ner as well) I don't get to decide whether or not it's an insult, it was already decided by the person who called me that. that's not how that works. [/QUOTE]
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