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<blockquote data-quote="Old Gumphrey" data-source="post: 4450731" data-attributes="member: 12872"><p>sez you. If I can press 175 lbs over my head, but I can't press 300, it's because I don't have enough muscle. And given what I know about muscle and how and why it weighs several times more than fat, needing another 15 lbs. of it to almost double that figure is pretty close to fact (although looking at this chart now, that'd be the jump from 14 to 18). But really, 18 str is about the average for a D&D fighter (I'd say it's 17, honestly). I can't imagine a PC putting a 14 into their main stat anymore.</p><p></p><p>I honestly don't know how fast I move, but it's not less than half my original speed. But it also hampers my jumping ability a LOT (because I often do jump squats with 135 lbs strapped on and I only get about six inches off the ground) more than what D&D leads you to believe. D&D strength doesn't make any sense, and it really shouldn't, but stronger people weigh more, and that is a fact. That's all I was pointing out.</p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p></p><p>No, I can't see the difference, because it's the same thing. I suggested slapping on extra capacity for a horse. You suggested slapping on extra capacity for your drake. You want to pretend like you're not slapping it on because you have "reasons" for why it should be a certain way. I do, too. I think a party of PCs should be able to walk into a town and ride away with mounts, and not have to say "aw crap, the dragonborn is too fat to come along" and also not have to say "oh, there just so happens to be a rage drake corralled with all the horses, and for some reason he hasn't devoured every last one of them". We put the dragonborn on a massive clydsedale and called it a day.</p><p></p><p>You can't just state your opinion and use that for ammunition in an argument. You literally said "If drakes aren't strong enough to carry dragonborn, I will make them that way, because that's what I want". And while that is totally fine (and I even agree with you), that is certainly not a valid argument as to why I can't do the same thing with a horse.</p><p></p><p>EDIT: You also claim that these things are "facts", which is laughable. It's a fact that horses are not appropriate mounts for dragonborn? Really? No, I don't think so. It's unlikely as written but it's certainly not inappropriate and it's definitely not a fact.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>While I agree with you, that's house rules. Horses can't carry dragonborn unless they are exceptionally small, or unless you as DM increase their carrying capacity (which is what I did). So that's not really a fact, it's just a change.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Old Gumphrey, post: 4450731, member: 12872"] sez you. If I can press 175 lbs over my head, but I can't press 300, it's because I don't have enough muscle. And given what I know about muscle and how and why it weighs several times more than fat, needing another 15 lbs. of it to almost double that figure is pretty close to fact (although looking at this chart now, that'd be the jump from 14 to 18). But really, 18 str is about the average for a D&D fighter (I'd say it's 17, honestly). I can't imagine a PC putting a 14 into their main stat anymore. I honestly don't know how fast I move, but it's not less than half my original speed. But it also hampers my jumping ability a LOT (because I often do jump squats with 135 lbs strapped on and I only get about six inches off the ground) more than what D&D leads you to believe. D&D strength doesn't make any sense, and it really shouldn't, but stronger people weigh more, and that is a fact. That's all I was pointing out. No, I can't see the difference, because it's the same thing. I suggested slapping on extra capacity for a horse. You suggested slapping on extra capacity for your drake. You want to pretend like you're not slapping it on because you have "reasons" for why it should be a certain way. I do, too. I think a party of PCs should be able to walk into a town and ride away with mounts, and not have to say "aw crap, the dragonborn is too fat to come along" and also not have to say "oh, there just so happens to be a rage drake corralled with all the horses, and for some reason he hasn't devoured every last one of them". We put the dragonborn on a massive clydsedale and called it a day. You can't just state your opinion and use that for ammunition in an argument. You literally said "If drakes aren't strong enough to carry dragonborn, I will make them that way, because that's what I want". And while that is totally fine (and I even agree with you), that is certainly not a valid argument as to why I can't do the same thing with a horse. EDIT: You also claim that these things are "facts", which is laughable. It's a fact that horses are not appropriate mounts for dragonborn? Really? No, I don't think so. It's unlikely as written but it's certainly not inappropriate and it's definitely not a fact. While I agree with you, that's house rules. Horses can't carry dragonborn unless they are exceptionally small, or unless you as DM increase their carrying capacity (which is what I did). So that's not really a fact, it's just a change. [/QUOTE]
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