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<blockquote data-quote="Kahuna Burger" data-source="post: 1236470" data-attributes="member: 8439"><p>I think various responses to that have already been covered. It doesn't fit with the rest of his actions, and while you seem willing to overlook every other thing he's done in favor of that one scene, most of us consider that scene the aberation.... (apparently so does buffy for that matter, as she was intending to put him on Dawn guard duty after it happened.)</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>if so, she was an idiot. Just because he couldn't physically harm Dawn doesn't mean that when she was in his crypt he couldn't have wandered off and gathered up every big and little bad he felt like. (post chip, pre conversion he made it clear that he could and would do such a thing when Faith was on the loose.) The fact that <strong>he</strong> couldn't hurt her makes him no better a guard than a chair would make. He was assigned to guard her because he would fight, maybe even die to protect her, and demonstrating that was what made buffy trust him.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Note that "we all know" is a bad discussion tactic, it is insulting and arrogent. And in this case implies the rest of us think spike is a necrophiliac... Hello? he was doing "good stuff" in spades when buffy was <strong>dead</strong>! He didn't know they were planning to bring her back, he made it very clear that the others had succeeded in keeping him out of the loop. And yet he was there helping keep sunnydale safe, protecting dawn, and wanting the buffy bot to stop hitting on him. </p><p></p><p>Spike was no saint, and more importantly still isn't with a soul and without a chip... But I don't understand the argument that his character made no moral changes in what, 2 seasons of developement?</p><p></p><p>Kahuna burger</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Kahuna Burger, post: 1236470, member: 8439"] I think various responses to that have already been covered. It doesn't fit with the rest of his actions, and while you seem willing to overlook every other thing he's done in favor of that one scene, most of us consider that scene the aberation.... (apparently so does buffy for that matter, as she was intending to put him on Dawn guard duty after it happened.) if so, she was an idiot. Just because he couldn't physically harm Dawn doesn't mean that when she was in his crypt he couldn't have wandered off and gathered up every big and little bad he felt like. (post chip, pre conversion he made it clear that he could and would do such a thing when Faith was on the loose.) The fact that [B]he[/B] couldn't hurt her makes him no better a guard than a chair would make. He was assigned to guard her because he would fight, maybe even die to protect her, and demonstrating that was what made buffy trust him. Note that "we all know" is a bad discussion tactic, it is insulting and arrogent. And in this case implies the rest of us think spike is a necrophiliac... Hello? he was doing "good stuff" in spades when buffy was [b]dead[/b]! He didn't know they were planning to bring her back, he made it very clear that the others had succeeded in keeping him out of the loop. And yet he was there helping keep sunnydale safe, protecting dawn, and wanting the buffy bot to stop hitting on him. Spike was no saint, and more importantly still isn't with a soul and without a chip... But I don't understand the argument that his character made no moral changes in what, 2 seasons of developement? Kahuna burger [/QUOTE]
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