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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Merlion" data-source="post: 1556760" data-attributes="member: 10397">Very much so. There seem to be several phases or groupings. In the very early days of Buffy Giles said that powerful demons once ruled the earth. And then in season 3 of buffy we discover that what we think of as demons arent "real" demons...that all the real ones were destroyed or banished way back.  And then we have Glory who's supposedly a demon-"god" thing. And Jasmine was something similiar, also from another reality.  But when the Mayor became a "full" demon, he was basically just a really big snake...nothing to write home about. Jasmine and Glory were both obviously far more powerful beings.  But then with Illyria and her catagory of "Old Ones"....they seem to be something else all together...from the way she talked they existed in a primordiam where reality hadnt even "cooled down" yet so to speak. Basically, much more Lovecrafty. Especially the picture of the statue of Illyria in her natural form.Of course that again also brings about those interesting questions about the Wolf, the Ram, and the Hart who in Illyria's day were little more than ants, but now seem to be the supreme evils of the buffyverse (with one would think the exception of the First).But the really new thing about Illyria is having a being like that, and having them really and truly be a true character.</blockquote>