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<blockquote data-quote="Samnell" data-source="post: 888296" data-attributes="member: 130"><p>And Angel & Company practically drove him to most of it. Look at how they dealt with him. He spent his whole life hearing how evil Angel was. AI's answer to this was just to tell him, over and over again, that Angel just wasn't evil and he just had to take their word for it. There's as much reason behind what Conner did as there was for Faith.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yep, he was hitting bottom. I'm not saying he was playing nice and did no wrong. He was ideally placed for some kind of beginning of redemption, though.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Conner had nowhere else to turn. He was convinced that his father and his father's friends weren't going to help him or even try to forgive him. Certainly it wasn't right to involve innocents, but I don't fault him for feeling like he had nowhere to go and no one to turn to and wanting to end it all.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>How about stop him and try to help him? And I don't mean help in the lame "let's all be friends" un-attempts Angel's tried. If you ask me, the best way to have gotten through to Conner would have been to stop the mall thing and make it clear that while he'd done wrong (kind of like Angel) and needed help and they were going to give it to him. Conner obviously knew he had a problem and he spent all season looking for someone who would accept him and love him that didn't keep giving him mixed messages.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>And which he made himself a hypocrite over. Free will's great, but not for my kid! A long, hard road of redemption is ok for someone who tried to kill my girlfriend, but not for my kid!</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I would like nothing more than to never see her again. She's just repellent. I only came close to liking her when she went evil.</p><p></p><p>Conner seems to hold the same kind of interest for me as Cordy does for you. </p><p></p><p>Also I really hate reset button plot-twists, which is what the "resolution" to Conner's arc was. They're the product of lazy writers who can't be bothered to actually confront where they put characters so they just throw away otherwise quality output that dared venture away from relatively save and tame areas. Voyager did this a lot. Who cares if so and so nearly destroyed the ship one day, because we'll hit reset and everything will be ok.</p><p></p><p>I'd much rather see characters confront their past acts (unless of course I just totally hate them like Cordy) and the consequences they bring than just poof them out of existance. It's one of the reasons I like seeing Faith back, actually.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Samnell, post: 888296, member: 130"] And Angel & Company practically drove him to most of it. Look at how they dealt with him. He spent his whole life hearing how evil Angel was. AI's answer to this was just to tell him, over and over again, that Angel just wasn't evil and he just had to take their word for it. There's as much reason behind what Conner did as there was for Faith. Yep, he was hitting bottom. I'm not saying he was playing nice and did no wrong. He was ideally placed for some kind of beginning of redemption, though. Conner had nowhere else to turn. He was convinced that his father and his father's friends weren't going to help him or even try to forgive him. Certainly it wasn't right to involve innocents, but I don't fault him for feeling like he had nowhere to go and no one to turn to and wanting to end it all. How about stop him and try to help him? And I don't mean help in the lame "let's all be friends" un-attempts Angel's tried. If you ask me, the best way to have gotten through to Conner would have been to stop the mall thing and make it clear that while he'd done wrong (kind of like Angel) and needed help and they were going to give it to him. Conner obviously knew he had a problem and he spent all season looking for someone who would accept him and love him that didn't keep giving him mixed messages. And which he made himself a hypocrite over. Free will's great, but not for my kid! A long, hard road of redemption is ok for someone who tried to kill my girlfriend, but not for my kid! I would like nothing more than to never see her again. She's just repellent. I only came close to liking her when she went evil. Conner seems to hold the same kind of interest for me as Cordy does for you. Also I really hate reset button plot-twists, which is what the "resolution" to Conner's arc was. They're the product of lazy writers who can't be bothered to actually confront where they put characters so they just throw away otherwise quality output that dared venture away from relatively save and tame areas. Voyager did this a lot. Who cares if so and so nearly destroyed the ship one day, because we'll hit reset and everything will be ok. I'd much rather see characters confront their past acts (unless of course I just totally hate them like Cordy) and the consequences they bring than just poof them out of existance. It's one of the reasons I like seeing Faith back, actually. [/QUOTE]
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