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Message: <blockquote data-quote="John Crichton" data-source="post: 888583" data-attributes="member: 4779">Stopping him then talking to him?  Already tried it multiple times.  Angel knew that he was beyond saving at this point.  Connor has rejected everyone.  I don't buy the bomb scare as a cry for help one bit.  Once you involve innocents you have crossed the line.  A cry for help would be if he just strapped one to himself.  What he was doing was evil, plain and simple.Connor didn't want a hug.  He would have killed Angel and everyone else in that room if given the chance.  I saw no remorse in his eyes.We don't know that Connor couldn't have turned out to be a good boy given the chance.  And that's exactly what Angel did, gave him the chance that he could not.He did try and speak with Connor.  Connor didn't want any part of it.  Angel didn't go in guns a blazing and take Connor down.  He did try and talk him down.  Didn't take and lives were at stake.Connor hated his life.  And the "brainzap" was much more than that.  It was simply a second chance.  Angel got rid of Connor's awful life that would have just led to more suffering and gave him a better one.  Connor already wanted to die by his own freewill.  So saying that what Angel did wasn't what Connor wanted doesn't add up.Recall what Angel told the gang about the look in Connor's eyes after he dispatched Jasmine.  The boy wasn't coming back, I thought that was clear.  Sometimes, people can't be redeemed.  There is a point where you can't come back.I don't see it as brainwashing.  I think the fabric of reality itself has been changed.  Whatever Connor experienced has been washed away.  Connor never loved Angel.  The one man he did love is dead and the one woman he thought he loved almost brought about the enslavement of the world.  And she didn't truly love him, we know that.And as for Connor's mistrust of magic?  That's a sham as well.  He was just fine with Jasmine's magic.  Holtz did the perfect thing to his old enemy, took away his child and then gave it back to Angel broken and beyond repair.  I've thought that all along and to me that's where it looked like all this was going.</blockquote>

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