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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Leopold" data-source="post: 1477638" data-attributes="member: 758">Also he can't cast spells unless he pisses away 2 feats. But since he's a fighter it doesn't matter though.I just got into a Level 15 game and had the feral template on a red 1/2 dragon centaur bar/5. I could've used pounce and rake but the sheer amount of damage one can do with a weapon far outweighs the fact that you would want to use your natural weapons. I found that (even though we played twice I died quickly taking down a cloud giant ranger!) I never used pounce nor rake as charging quickly deals more damage if you are out of range and pounce is really only good for the time that you are in combat and need to move from one enemy to the other.I would not count pounce or rake in the ECL equation as that's a natural ability that the tiger gets over the course of it's 9HD progression rather than something bonus that it gets. Compare it to the fighters feats or the paladins saves if you wish.I haven't broken this thing down yet to look at it, but a 12 seems way too high for this thing.</blockquote>