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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Shalewind" data-source="post: 717270" data-attributes="member: 6146">See, now here is where the real issue comes up. Equipment is assumed to be part of CR. Now, all of this is truely irrelavent to me personally because I run homebrew magic and stuff, but I love the core of the debate and want to see the heart of the mechanic.The suggestion is to up the CR of the villian if he is capable of breaking all the PCs cool gear. That's all fine and good. And I agree. Now look at this example:5th level party armed with +0 swords and equipment...5th level party armed with +5 swords and several stat boosting items.These two groups of people are NOT worth the same CR or the same ammount of experience, at least in my opinion they should not be. Party B could mop the floor with Party A. Now, if this power level is so unblanced, switch the parties around to the PC end. These two same parties are suppose to be capable of the same things, which is clearly not the case.If the BBEG comes an destroys a 5th level character's +3 sword, he has just crippled that PC. This, I have no problem with... My problem is that it is assumed HE WILL FIND ANOTHER ONE! Sure, maybe not before the adventure is over, but he'll be right back up with the other PCs before long.Personally I think equipment should be factored in to CR. But, I use a homebrew low-magic to solve my concerns. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />As for the whole DM having powers over the players... All I have to say on this issue is I don't think it should be done any other way. I think you are deluding yourself as a PC if you think you have any control in the first place. Ultimately, the DM can kill any PC, craft any encounter, or do anything he wishes. He can bend the rules, make up his own stuff, do whatever. You as a player, have the right to say, "I like this", "I don't like this", or "Hey, It would be cool if...". Thinking that the 3e rules allow you to have a so called "control" over their characters is a misunderstanding IMHO. My players control their fate because they talk to me and tell me where they are going, and becuase they roleplay it out, not because the rules give players power over the DM.</blockquote>

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