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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Sadrik" data-source="post: 2493998" data-attributes="member: 14506">I am not really fond of the BAB/defense split thing either. Ignore it (in fact I may edit it out of my post). Just use Defenses that scale like the average BAB chart does (cleric). All other things still apply though.Two identical 4th fighters are fighting:Equipment:Chain 1d8 DR = 1d8 DRLongsword 8 damage, Strength +2, specialization +2 = 12 damageDefense Bonus and BABDefense bonus +3, Shield +2 and Dex +2 = +7BAB +4, Weapon focus +1, strength +2 = +7RollsEach fighter rolls 1d20 on every attack. One rolls 1d20+7 defense and the other rolls 1d20+7 to attack. If the attacker succeeds add +1 point of damage for every point they roll over the opponents total. So if the attacker rolls a total of 21 (14+7)and the defender rolls a total of 12 (5+7)The attacker does 12+9=21 damage (longsword (12) and the differance of the two rolls is 9)The defender then rolls his DR 1d8 he rolls 7 and so takes 14 damage a solid hit!I can totally see removing the 1d20 for defense rolls and just going with "they always take a 10 on the defense roll." It would make exactly the same number of rolls as regular d&d. The damage roll moves to the DR roll. The above hit would have done 9 damage still a decent hit for a 4th level character.I think giving the players options on taking a "10" or rolling defense could be interesting too. Do you feel lucky?</blockquote>