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<blockquote data-quote="JohnSnow" data-source="post: 3879037" data-attributes="member: 32164">Everything you're talking about here is more &quot;lawful&quot; than good. Why would a chaotic entity consider a pact binding?Do recall that paladins don't NEED a patron deity. You can be a paladin without a god. And yet, you STILL lose your powers if you violate your code. So it's not &quot;precisely&quot; a pact. It's more like &quot;karmic consequences.&quot;I agree that you CAN justify it. But it requires the entity in question to have some selfish agenda. I admit there's some merit to the notion of &quot;a gift&quot; you can lose if you misuse it...But I regard a pact as something that is of more direct benefit to the entity granting the abilities. There should be more to your part of it than just &quot;being good.&quot; That's a pretty loose pact (although, as demonstrated by the number of ex-paladins, not always easy). I think they're imagining the Warlock's pact as more...&quot;quid pro quo&quot; than that.However, you make some good points about the responsibilities of power...</blockquote>

[QUOTE="JohnSnow, post: 3879037, member: 32164"] Everything you're talking about here is more "lawful" than good. Why would a chaotic entity consider a pact binding? Do recall that paladins don't NEED a patron deity. You can be a paladin without a god. And yet, you STILL lose your powers if you violate your code. So it's not "precisely" a pact. It's more like "karmic consequences." I agree that you CAN justify it. But it requires the entity in question to have some selfish agenda. I admit there's some merit to the notion of "a gift" you can lose if you misuse it... But I regard a pact as something that is of more direct benefit to the entity granting the abilities. There should be more to your part of it than just "being good." That's a pretty loose pact (although, as demonstrated by the number of ex-paladins, not always easy). I think they're imagining the Warlock's pact as more..."quid pro quo" than that. However, you make some good points about the responsibilities of power... [/QUOTE]

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