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<blockquote data-quote="CapnZapp" data-source="post: 8102935" data-attributes="member: 12731">Absolutely. Had the trap spewed fireballs (upscaled to spell level 5) or cones of cold, nobody would have complained.The issue here is 1) one spell in particular, and even more specifically, that it will likely be cast several times over. (Also, that you started the next room's fight while one character was still down)That last part is important. Any spellcasting creature could theoretically have Phantasmal Killer already at level 9. So the sequence of the party Fighter rolling two low rolls in sequence (to account for one Hero point) followed by a roll that's no better than average is definitely something that can happen in this game. This is absolutely going to result in a crit fail followed by a regular fail from a monster of higher level than yourself.Death is definitely an outcome that is supposed to actually happen, whereas death is arguably only a theoretical threat against 5E heroes (once past the low levels).Pro-tip: it doesn't help against Phantasmal Killer, but random bad luck is the reason our Cleric always has a <a href="https://2e.aonprd.com/Spells.aspx?ID=29" target="_blank">Breath of Life</a> spell prepared. (Other resurrection magic is uncommon) He hasn't gotten to use it yet, though.Edit: stupidly linked to PF1 spell</blockquote>

[QUOTE="CapnZapp, post: 8102935, member: 12731"] Absolutely. Had the trap spewed fireballs (upscaled to spell level 5) or cones of cold, nobody would have complained. The issue here is 1) one spell in particular, and even more specifically, that it will likely be cast several times over. (Also, that you started the next room's fight while one character was still down) That last part is important. Any spellcasting creature could theoretically have Phantasmal Killer already at level 9. So the sequence of the party Fighter rolling two low rolls in sequence (to account for one Hero point) followed by a roll that's no better than average is definitely something that can happen in this game. This is absolutely going to result in a crit fail followed by a regular fail from a monster of higher level than yourself. Death is definitely an outcome that is supposed to actually happen, whereas death is arguably only a theoretical threat against 5E heroes (once past the low levels). Pro-tip: it doesn't help against Phantasmal Killer, but random bad luck is the reason our Cleric always has a [URL='https://2e.aonprd.com/Spells.aspx?ID=29']Breath of Life[/URL] spell prepared. (Other resurrection magic is uncommon) He hasn't gotten to use it yet, though. [SIZE=3]Edit: stupidly linked to PF1 spell[/SIZE] [/QUOTE]

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