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<blockquote data-quote="CapnZapp" data-source="post: 8102947" data-attributes="member: 12731">You're focusing on the wrong thing. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />The reason I mentioned level 9 was because the spell is level 5. If you want DC 32 to be &quot;within guidelines&quot; you'd need a level 10 or 11 creature. Point remains: that level 8 heroes might face a spellcasting monster capable of casting an effect where a critfail followed by a regular fail insta-kills a character is what Pathfinder 2 is.Had the writers used a different spell... the outcome would have been different.Had the hazard been a creature instead... there would likely not have been that many castings of the spell.Had the OP not thrown the next room's encounter at the reeling party... there wouldn't have been a party wipe.Had the player had two hero points, he could have used his second one to prevent death.There are plenty of issues with Pathfinder 2, but this one doesn't really merit this long a thread, in my honest opinion. naughty word happens. Best is to roll up a new party and to get back into the fray! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="CapnZapp, post: 8102947, member: 12731"] You're focusing on the wrong thing. :) The reason I mentioned level 9 was because the spell is level 5. If you want DC 32 to be "within guidelines" you'd need a level 10 or 11 creature. Point remains: that level 8 heroes might face a spellcasting monster capable of casting an effect where a critfail followed by a regular fail insta-kills a character is what Pathfinder 2 is. [I]Had the writers used a different spell... the outcome would have been different. Had the hazard been a creature instead... there would likely not have been that many castings of the spell. Had the OP not thrown the next room's encounter at the reeling party... there wouldn't have been a party wipe. Had the player had two hero points, he could have used his second one to prevent death.[/I] There are plenty of issues with Pathfinder 2, but this one doesn't really merit this long a thread, in my honest opinion. naughty word happens. Best is to roll up a new party and to get back into the fray! :) [/QUOTE]

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