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<blockquote data-quote="CapnZapp" data-source="post: 8103349" data-attributes="member: 12731">Any old level 9 spellcaster gets to cast level 5 spells... shrugNot that I think the damage of the effect has come up - all we have been discussing so far has been about the death effect.But we are in agreement that the simplest change to make the Wrath of the Destroyer trap &quot;compliant&quot; would be to simply make it single-use.A slightly more involved change would be to make it a level 7 hazard (using the un-heightened spell), with lower DCs of course. Then you could even run it the intuitive way - the way Retreater ran it: the trap triggers as the doors open. Adding a level 7 hazard to the three existing monsters probably increases the difficulty of the combined encounter beyond &quot;moderate&quot;, but still nothing out of bounds.My point here is that it's quite possible Retreater's player's rolls would still make the character end up dead even if the trap did conform to guidelines.(I'm here assuming it is the spell's level, not the hazard's level, that matters for the purpose of the Incapacitation rule. Not 100% sure what applies to spells cast by hazards; if the hazard actually casts the spell or merely recreates its effects. If level 8 heroes are protected, make the hazard level 8)</blockquote>

[QUOTE="CapnZapp, post: 8103349, member: 12731"] Any old level 9 spellcaster gets to cast level 5 spells... [I]shrug[/I] Not that I think the damage of the effect has come up - all we have been discussing so far has been about the death effect. But we are in agreement that the simplest change to make the Wrath of the Destroyer trap "compliant" would be to simply make it single-use. A slightly more involved change would be to make it a level 7 hazard (using the un-heightened spell), with lower DCs of course. Then you could even run it the intuitive way - the way Retreater ran it: the trap triggers as the doors open. Adding a level 7 hazard to the three existing monsters probably increases the difficulty of the combined encounter beyond "moderate", but still nothing out of bounds. My point here is that it's quite possible Retreater's player's rolls would still make the character end up dead even if the trap did conform to guidelines. (I'm here assuming it is the spell's level, not the hazard's level, that matters for the purpose of the Incapacitation rule. Not 100% sure what applies to spells cast by hazards; if the hazard actually casts the spell or merely recreates its effects. If level 8 heroes are protected, make the hazard level 8) [/QUOTE]

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