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Message: <blockquote data-quote="BobTheNob" data-source="post: 5317827" data-attributes="member: 82425">This is where Im sorta coming from as well. Dont get me wrong, I still think there are room for feats like LR/IW/GF with a +2 bonus, but its just the extra scaling at paragon and epic. To me, that should just be built in, so that characters can take these feats if they want a boost, but they are not obligated to.The previous analysis of -4/-4/-7 by late epic was spot on, and with an inherent +2 by epic, this is a -2/-2/-5. Not a full solution, but closer, and without players needing to pay a feat. Then, if they really wanted to finally bridge the gap, they pay the feat cost then and get another +2Its pretty fringe stuff, and I wouldnt go hammer and tongs fighting the point. I guess I was a little disappointed : scaling d20 values just doesnt make sense to me, and a few recent errata made me think maybe that WOTC had come to the same conclusion. Obviously I was wrong.</blockquote>