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Message: <blockquote data-quote="dave2008" data-source="post: 9605024" data-attributes="member: 83242">Not IMO, that is why I said leave it up to the DM. They know there group better than I do.First, I completely misunderstood what you were talking about. Not that I understand...If they want to use a wish to get rid of the magical aspect of the B,P,S damage that is fine with me. It still  does the B,P,S damage listed. Similarly, the fire breath still does half damage so getting the effect of resistance with a wish seems to be a win for the dragon.Honestly I never hand out wish spells so I don't see them in play and if a DM allows them I feel it is their duty to handle them. A wish, IMO, is a bit of an easy button and if a wizard has it and wants to use it, then be all means let them. If it trivializes that encounter then it is working as intended IMO.OK. Like I said I haven't even looked at the spells yet. This was just comparing 2014 CR to 2024 CR. However, I disagree with the premise that a CR 27 monster should crush a lvl 20 party.  That is not what the 2024 encounter guidelines tell us. A CR 27 monster is just slightly above a "High Difficulty" encounter for 4 PCs.Per the DMG: A high-difficulty encounter could be lethal for one or more characters. To survive it, the characters will need smart tactics, quick thinking, and maybe even a little luck.And I will remind you that is a high difficulty encounter for a level 20 group with no magic items. So no, I don't think a CR 27 monster should crush the typical 5e lvl 20 group of 4 PCs.Regarding forcecage, if I keep it, I am inclined to reduce it to 1/day. Not such an issue then. Of course maybe the group should have used that Wish for force cage prevention!</blockquote>

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