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<blockquote data-quote="Todd Roybark" data-source="post: 8070186" data-attributes="member: 6920677">The 4e monk gets access to&nbsp; spell powers at faster rate then a 1/3 caster.The monk gets access to 2 level spells at 6th level, 3rd level spells at 11th, and 4th level spells at 17th.&nbsp; The spell progression for 1/3 casters is delayed by 2 levels compared to the 4e monk progression.What is so terrible about a Ki based Hold Person spell at 6th level?&nbsp; Thunderwave, gaseous form, gust of wind, fly...these all seem like solid effects to have powered by a Short Rest recharged resource like Ki points.The venom people feel about the subclass is so extreme.&nbsp; Not only must the subclass be killed, * gutted* and dragged through the streets....it must be burned to ashes, and forgotten, so something else takes it's place.Ok...or how about you toss Elemental Attunement, give the subclass all 4 Elemental Cantrips.Maybe a bonus to Ki points at 11th level that can only be used on 4e powers.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Todd Roybark, post: 8070186, member: 6920677"] The 4e monk gets access to spell powers at faster rate then a 1/3 caster. The monk gets access to 2 level spells at 6th level, 3rd level spells at 11th, and 4th level spells at 17th. The spell progression for 1/3 casters is delayed by 2 levels compared to the 4e monk progression. What is so terrible about a Ki based Hold Person spell at 6th level? Thunderwave, gaseous form, gust of wind, fly...these all seem like [I]solid[/I] effects to have powered by a Short Rest recharged resource like Ki points. The [I]venom[/I] people feel about the subclass is so extreme. Not only must the subclass be [I]killed[/I], * gutted* and dragged through the streets....it must be burned to ashes, and forgotten, so something else takes it's place. Ok...or how about you toss Elemental Attunement, give the subclass all 4 Elemental Cantrips. Maybe a bonus to Ki points at 11th level that can only be used on 4e powers. [/QUOTE]

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