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<blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 7971417" data-attributes="member: 18"><p>A handful of times, because we had a Wizard at one point who used that. It was a really weird spell in 4E because it was a precision three-target spell which did fairly low damage.</p><p></p><p>There are a lot of things I loved about 4E, but Wizards did not translate terribly well to it.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yes, quite right, I first came across this strange-seeming attitude in his book Role-Playing Mastery, which I read when I was about 13, was appalled by, and it seemed like it was very much at odds with other I knew him to have said (via Dragon etc.)!</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Probably not, but they didn't. I think even if they had, they'd have missed some later creature off the list. I feel with exception-based design, it's better to specify the exception on the monster, not the ability or the like. Like, if a monster is immune to trip, that should go on it's stat-block (which it didn't, generally, in 3E). I notice that 5E does with ghouls and elves being immune to their paralysis. I found that out playing the Strahd campaign, the DM was like "save vs CON" (I think) and I was like "Is that for ghoul paralysis, pretty sure as a half-elf I'm immune..." even though I'd never read the 5E ghoul details. But I then became unsure because I realized it wasn't in the racial traits for an Elf anymore. Then he actually checked the MM entry though, and there it was! Elves are immune!</p><p></p><p>Which I dunno that's the right place for that, but I guess it's fine given how little it comes up.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ruin Explorer, post: 7971417, member: 18"] A handful of times, because we had a Wizard at one point who used that. It was a really weird spell in 4E because it was a precision three-target spell which did fairly low damage. There are a lot of things I loved about 4E, but Wizards did not translate terribly well to it. Yes, quite right, I first came across this strange-seeming attitude in his book Role-Playing Mastery, which I read when I was about 13, was appalled by, and it seemed like it was very much at odds with other I knew him to have said (via Dragon etc.)! Probably not, but they didn't. I think even if they had, they'd have missed some later creature off the list. I feel with exception-based design, it's better to specify the exception on the monster, not the ability or the like. Like, if a monster is immune to trip, that should go on it's stat-block (which it didn't, generally, in 3E). I notice that 5E does with ghouls and elves being immune to their paralysis. I found that out playing the Strahd campaign, the DM was like "save vs CON" (I think) and I was like "Is that for ghoul paralysis, pretty sure as a half-elf I'm immune..." even though I'd never read the 5E ghoul details. But I then became unsure because I realized it wasn't in the racial traits for an Elf anymore. Then he actually checked the MM entry though, and there it was! Elves are immune! Which I dunno that's the right place for that, but I guess it's fine given how little it comes up. [/QUOTE]
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