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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Urbannen" data-source="post: 1605671" data-attributes="member: 7643">Wyrd One: That's not technically so by D&D standards.  If what you are saying were true, then an unarmed human could make two fist attacks during a full round action.  A natural attack in D&D does not provoke an attack of opportunity and is used as a part of a set attack routine.  Humans don't have natural attacks.  I think the issue here is that the "unarmed strike" attack of a monk or human with the Improved Unarmed Strike attack is a bludgeoning attack whose exact nature has not been specified - it could be a fist, an elbow, a foot, a knee, a head butt, etc.  However, I don't think that it is any of the "natural" attacks listed in the MM, like claws, bites, slams, or tentacles.  I believe that a thri-keen monk would be trained to deliver bludgeoning attacks with its limbs, but that that is not the same thing as being taught to deliver its claw attacks in a different way.  The fact that a thri-keen monk has 4 claws wouldn't necessarily change the number of unarmed strikes it could deliver per round - a human monk could deliver bludgeoning attacks from 5 different limbs (if you count head butts), but that doesn't change the number of attacks that he is limited to.  However, if the claw is treated as a monk special weapon, then the thri-keen would receive special training with its use.  The response you got from CustServ treated the claw as a special monk weapon.  Here is the SRD on flurry of blows and different weapons:Upon further reflection, it seems that CustServ considers a natural attack the same as an unarmed strike.  I'm just not sure that they can be considered the same - I agree with Camarath.  The system is much cleaner if the "unarmed strike" is treated as having the characteristics of a manufactured weapon.  Camarath says that there is nothing in the rules to indicate that natural weapons and unarmed strikes are treated the same.  I tend to agree.  Is there anything that shows them to be the same?  Obviously the person at CustServ thinks so.</blockquote>

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