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Message: <blockquote data-quote="theNater" data-source="post: 4285462" data-attributes="member: 62560">Okay, it seems this line of thought is going to run into an argument of what is or isn't a viable build, which is not what I want to get into.Let's try a different tack.  What do you want characters to be able to do that they can't?  What sorts of builds are we missing in 4th edition that are present in 3rd edition?I will freely grant that you cannot have an assistant creature(animal companion, paladin warhorse, wizard familiar) or unrestrained shapeshifting(polymorph, wild shape).  Those abilities were removed for balance reasons, so I'm counting the fact that you can't have a character based around them as being in 4th edition's favor.  Also, mounted combat builds have been greatly reduced, presumably because PC's frequently get into situations where being really good at mounted combat won't help, and the designers didn't want to shut anybody out of a large range of situations.So there's your challenge.  Give me the 3rd edition build that 4th edition doesn't have because of sheer unhelpfulness on the part of the designers.</blockquote>