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Message: <blockquote data-quote="MadWanderer" data-source="post: 4285766" data-attributes="member: 35199">Great for kids, bad for complexityGod do I agree with the review and the above quote. I love out of combat abilities, and appart from skills and rituals, there are none worth noting...That makes me sad. Very sad. Apparently, being a member of a Class is just about being good in combat. On the other hand, this afternoon I ran Burnt Offerings (Paizo) for my two kids who are 7 and 10. My daughter (10) played a rogue (nice class but where is diplomacy???) and my son (7) played a wizard. Character creation was easy for all of us (I have barely had time to read the rules) and we immediatly started to play with only 5 mns worth of rules explanation. They had never played RPGs before. It was soooo easy for a 7 year old to play a wizard. He used cloud of daggers and Flaming sphere and had a great time. For this, I am grateful to 4th edition. For myself? Not so much. I always play fighters when I have the choice, but the one time I played a sorceror, I had a blast choosing enchantments spells and pulling practical jokes with Tasha's hideous laughter and other effects. With my one and only cleric, I used Calm emotions all the time on the flighty and depressed rogue of the team...I love the fluff in my classes, I love the useless spells. I love imagining an apprentice wizard who developps a spell to remove leg hair from women and makes a fortune. 4e is all about combat and balance in combat and I hate that. If 3e skewed the balance in favor of the arcane or divine classes, 4e does the opposite and makes them a pale shadow of themselves and makes them boring to me. My son had a lot of fun though. I hope he continues to have fun. As for class builds and 3e being superior as far as options? When I met my wife, she was playing a rogue that specialized in information gathering and in diplomacy and had no skills in being a thief. In 4e, all rogues have thievery...That is not a Swashbuckler!Same for the ranger. If I want to make a city soldier who specializes in archery well apparently he is forced to learn about dungeons or nature as part of learning how to shoot a bow. Easy enough to houserule though but it pains me to have to do this so soon over something so trivial. 4e is DnD for dummies as I have been calling it. Fun game though, and my kids can play it. I think 3e would have been way too complex for a 7 year old.</blockquote>

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