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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Sylrae" data-source="post: 4286360" data-attributes="member: 48520">I'm not saying we should all go out and play penguins and blink dogs; but not all the humanoid shaped monsters have racial stats anymore. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f641.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":(" title="Frown    :("  data-smilie="3"data-shortname=":(" />what if I want to play a satyr? or a sprite? or a centaur? (these are not such weird ones).how about the vampire (the 3.5 vampire template was absolutely awful. LA too high and didnt have all the weaknesses it shoudl have. If the half vampire needs to feed. logically the vampire would need to more so. but it didnt. feeding was just an attack.what about other things like templates? like a lich?or outsiders that are humanoid in shape?Succubus, Rakshasa, Imp, Pit Fiend, Balor, Marilith, Glabrezu?or maybe a dryad?I think all of these should be viable as players (at least later in the game)I'm all for some sort of savage progressions if necessary, but I'm just saying these are all things over the standard +2LA which they seem to have made the new 0 (hence the no ECL drow)I don't want to double check right now. are there still all sorts of nifty templates?in my 3.x games I came up with a sweet houserule using a template. instead of driders as monsters, they're drow with the tauric template and the other creature it uses as a base is any of the giant spiders. that gives you like 8 or 9 types of drow across a couple books with different types of poison and some slightly differing abilities. then I just houserules that they still count as abberations even though the template doesn't say they do (so they match the driders)Just thought it was nifty <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":P" title="Stick out tongue    :P"  data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":P" /></blockquote>

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