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<blockquote data-quote="xigbar" data-source="post: 5812754" data-attributes="member: 6673175"><p>Here's a list for an arena game on a different site that I thought was a really nice set of houserules for a normal game. Prepare for a Wall of Text......</p><p> </p><p>Any spell, power, etc. with an XP component does not exist.</p><p>Psionic powers or mantles <strong>do not exist</strong> at all.</p><p>Psi-like abilities that are based on psionic powers do not exist.</p><p>If you successfully steal spells from an opponent using the Spell Theft (CM) spell, those spell do not accompany you out of the arena or into your next fight.</p><p>The following spells do not exist in any way, shape or form: <p style="margin-left: 20px">Astral Projection</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">Blasphemy</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">Celerity (or any of its counterparts)</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">Contingency</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">Dictum</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">Disjunction</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">Forcecage</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">Gate</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">Holy Word</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">Irresistible Dance</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">Limited Wish</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">Magic Jar</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">Maze</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">Miracle</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">Planar Ally</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">Planar Binding</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">Polymorph Any Object</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">Reality Maelstrom</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">Rebuke (or any of its counterparts)</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">Shapechange</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">Timestop</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">Trap The Soul</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">Wish</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">Word of Balance</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">Word of Chaos</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">Wrathful Castigation</p><p>Any other spell, power, manuever, ability, etc. that allows you to 'manipulate' the flow of time and/or initiative so that your opponent literally does not get a turn is automatically banned as well.</p><p>Surge of Fortune cannot be combined with the Vorpal weapon property, or any other spell / ability, that would result in an automatic kill when combined with rolling a natural 20.</p><p>A caster can only be under the effect of a single casting of Surge of Fortune at a time.</p><p>The spell Starmantle from BoED does not interact in any way with evasion, improved evasion, or other ability that somehow negates damage with a successful reflex save.</p><p>The text of the spell Ebon Eyes from Spell Compendium is hereby completely deleted and replaced with the following: "You gain the visual acuity of a devil for the duration of the spell. You can see normally in darkness and magical darkness out to 30 feet."</p><p>The Dragonfire Adept invocation <em>Chilling Fog</em> is usable only once every 1d4 rounds.</p><p>Nerveskitter is <em>not</em> allowed as a means of increasing your initiative score.</p><p>Freedom of Movement is amended as follows: <span style="font-size: 15px"><strong>Freedom of Movement</strong></span></p><p><em>Abjuration</em></p><p><strong>Level:</strong> Bard 4, Cleric 4, Druid 4, Luck 4, Ranger 4</p><p><strong>Components:</strong> V, S, M, DF</p><p><strong>Casting Time:</strong> 1 standard action</p><p><strong>Range:</strong> Personal or touch</p><p><strong>Target:</strong> You or creature touched</p><p><strong>Duration:</strong> 10 min./level</p><p><strong>Saving Throw:</strong> Will negates (harmless)</p><p><strong>Spell Resistance:</strong> Yes (harmless)</p><p></p><p>This spell enables you or a creature you touch to move and attack normally for the duration of the spell, even under the influence of magic that usually impedes movement, such as paralysis, solid fog, slow, and web. <strong>By using a standard action, the subject can completely end a paralysis or slow effect, or move at their normal speed through solid fog, web and similar effects. However, if the subject re-enters the area of the solid fog or other effect, they once more become subject to its effects.</strong></p><p></p><p><strong>By using a standard action</strong> the subject automatically succeeds on any grapple check made to resist a grapple attempt, as well as on grapple checks or Escape Artist checks made to escape a grapple or a pin. <span style="color: red"><strong>A single standard action allows the subject to automatically exit the grapple, whether they are pinned or not, ending up in the adjacent square of their choice. This movement does not provoke an attack of opportunity.</strong></span></p><p></p><p>The spell also allows the subject to move and attack normally while underwater, even with slashing weapons such as axes and swords or with bludgeoning weapons such as flails, hammers, and maces, provided that the weapon is wielded in the hand rather than hurled. The freedom of movement spell does not, however, allow water breathing.</p><p></p><p>Material Component: A leather thong, bound around the arm or a similar appendage.</p><p>Antimagic Field is amended as follows: <span style="font-size: 15px"><strong>Antimagic Field</strong></span></p><p><em>Abjuration</em></p><p><strong>Level:</strong> Cleric 6, Magic 6, Protection 6, Sorcerer/Wizard 5</p><p><strong>Components:</strong> V, S, M/DF </p><p><strong>Casting Time:</strong> 1 standard action </p><p><strong>Range:</strong> 10 ft. </p><p><strong>Area:</strong> 10-ft.-radius emanation, centered on you </p><p><strong>Duration:</strong> 10 min./level (D) </p><p><strong>Saving Throw:</strong> None </p><p><strong>Spell Resistance:</strong> No</p><p></p><p>An invisible barrier surrounds you and moves with you. The space within this barrier is impervious to many magical effects. An antimagic field automatically suppresses any spell or magical effect currently active on the caster, and it prevents the caster from casting any new spells on himself so long as the antimagic field is in effect. The caster can still cast spells with a target or area of effect that lies outside the radius of the antimagic field.</p><p></p><p>Any other spell that allows spell resistance that is cast upon anyone inside the radius of the antimagic field automatically fails to affect them. However, spells or spell-like abilities that do not allow spell resistance can enter the field and affect the caster or other creatures as usual. As supernatural abilities never allow spell resistance, they are unaffected by an antimagic field.</p><p></p><p>Magic items and weapons continue to function in an antimagic field for the most part. If one of these items generates a temporary or instantaneous effect that would normally be subject to spell resistance, then just that aspect of the item or weapon does not work.</p><p></p><p>Dispel magic cannot remove an antimagic field, however it can still target the caster or creatures inside the radius of the field. (Though since the caster of an antimagic field essentially has no active spells on him, a targeted dispel would be somewhat pointless.)</p><p></p><p>Two or more antimagic fields sharing any of the same space have no effect on each other. Artifacts and deities are unaffected by mortal magic such as this.</p><p></p><p>Should a creature other than the caster be larger than the area enclosed by the barrier, any part of it that lies outside the barrier is unaffected by the field.</p><p></p><p><em>Arcane Material Component:</em> A pinch of powdered iron or iron filings.</p><p></p><p>Wings of Cover is amended as follows: </p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><strong>WINGS OF COVER</strong></span></p><p><em>Evocation</em> [Force]</p><p><strong>Level:</strong> Sorcerer 2</p><p><strong>Components:</strong> V, S</p><p><strong>Casting Time:</strong> 1 immediate action</p><p><strong>Range:</strong> Personal</p><p><strong>Target:</strong> You</p><p><strong>Duration:</strong> Instantaneous</p><p></p><p><em>Immense, partially translucent wings unfurl from behind you and almost completely shield you from the sight of your enemies for a single heartbeat.</em></p><p></p><p>Your evoked wings grant protection against a specific violent action. If your foe is about to attack you with a melee, ranged, spell, or supernatural attack, you can cast this spell immediately, creating a hemispherical barrier (or a spherical barrier if you are not standing on solid ground) of force shaped like dragon wings.</p><p></p><p>The wings of force last just long enough to potentially disrupt your foe's line of effect to you. You gain a miss chance equal to 30% + your caster level against that single attack, spell, etc. This miss chance cannot be negated by any means, and is not considered "concealment" for the purposes of spells like True Strike, the re-roll granted by Blind-Fight, and so on. The wings unfurl and then dissipate an instant later.</p><p></p><p>If you are the subject of an area attack, you instead receive +8 Insight bonus to your appropriate saving throw (usually Reflex) as well as Improved Evasion; though if the area effect instead calls for a Fortitude or Will saving throw, you gain no additional benefit.</p><p></p><p><strong>Special:</strong> A dragonblooded character, or a character with the dragon type, can provide cover for one additional adjacent ally for every three caster levels.</p><p></p><p>Wings of Flurry is amended as follows: <span style="font-size: 15px"><strong>WINGS OF FLURRY</strong></span></p><p><em>Evocation</em> [Force]</p><p><strong>Level:</strong> Sorcerer 4</p><p><strong>Components:</strong> V, S</p><p><strong>Casting Time:</strong> 1 standard action</p><p><strong>Range:</strong> 30 ft.</p><p><strong>Area:</strong> 30-ft.-radius burst, centered on you</p><p><strong>Duration:</strong> Instantaneous</p><p><strong>Saving Throw:</strong> Reflex half, the Will </p><p><strong>Spell Resistance:</strong> Yes</p><p></p><p><em>Immense, scaled wings unfurl from behind you and beat at nearby foes in a savage flurry before vanishing as quickly as they appeared.</em></p><p></p><p>You evoke flickering dragon's wings that strike at every creature in range, dealing 1d6 points of damage per caster level to all within 30 feet that fail a Reflex saving throw, and half that damage to creatures that succeed on the save. Creatures that fail the Reflex save must make a Will save at the same DC. Those that fail the Will saving throw are also dazed for 1 round. Success on the Will save means the creature is merely dazzled for 1 round instead.</p><p></p><p><strong>Special:</strong> A dragonblooded character, or a character with the dragon type, casts this spell at +1 caster level.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="xigbar, post: 5812754, member: 6673175"] Here's a list for an arena game on a different site that I thought was a really nice set of houserules for a normal game. Prepare for a Wall of Text...... Any spell, power, etc. with an XP component does not exist. Psionic powers or mantles [B]do not exist[/B] at all. Psi-like abilities that are based on psionic powers do not exist. If you successfully steal spells from an opponent using the Spell Theft (CM) spell, those spell do not accompany you out of the arena or into your next fight. The following spells do not exist in any way, shape or form: [INDENT]Astral Projection Blasphemy Celerity (or any of its counterparts) Contingency Dictum Disjunction Forcecage Gate Holy Word Irresistible Dance Limited Wish Magic Jar Maze Miracle Planar Ally Planar Binding Polymorph Any Object Reality Maelstrom Rebuke (or any of its counterparts) Shapechange Timestop Trap The Soul Wish Word of Balance Word of Chaos Wrathful Castigation[/INDENT]Any other spell, power, manuever, ability, etc. that allows you to 'manipulate' the flow of time and/or initiative so that your opponent literally does not get a turn is automatically banned as well. Surge of Fortune cannot be combined with the Vorpal weapon property, or any other spell / ability, that would result in an automatic kill when combined with rolling a natural 20. A caster can only be under the effect of a single casting of Surge of Fortune at a time. The spell Starmantle from BoED does not interact in any way with evasion, improved evasion, or other ability that somehow negates damage with a successful reflex save. The text of the spell Ebon Eyes from Spell Compendium is hereby completely deleted and replaced with the following: "You gain the visual acuity of a devil for the duration of the spell. You can see normally in darkness and magical darkness out to 30 feet." The Dragonfire Adept invocation [I]Chilling Fog[/I] is usable only once every 1d4 rounds. Nerveskitter is [I]not[/I] allowed as a means of increasing your initiative score. Freedom of Movement is amended as follows: [SIZE=4][B]Freedom of Movement[/B][/SIZE] [I]Abjuration[/I] [B]Level:[/B] Bard 4, Cleric 4, Druid 4, Luck 4, Ranger 4 [B]Components:[/B] V, S, M, DF [B]Casting Time:[/B] 1 standard action [B]Range:[/B] Personal or touch [B]Target:[/B] You or creature touched [B]Duration:[/B] 10 min./level [B]Saving Throw:[/B] Will negates (harmless) [B]Spell Resistance:[/B] Yes (harmless) This spell enables you or a creature you touch to move and attack normally for the duration of the spell, even under the influence of magic that usually impedes movement, such as paralysis, solid fog, slow, and web. [B]By using a standard action, the subject can completely end a paralysis or slow effect, or move at their normal speed through solid fog, web and similar effects. However, if the subject re-enters the area of the solid fog or other effect, they once more become subject to its effects.[/B] [B]By using a standard action[/B] the subject automatically succeeds on any grapple check made to resist a grapple attempt, as well as on grapple checks or Escape Artist checks made to escape a grapple or a pin. [COLOR=red][B]A single standard action allows the subject to automatically exit the grapple, whether they are pinned or not, ending up in the adjacent square of their choice. This movement does not provoke an attack of opportunity.[/B][/COLOR] The spell also allows the subject to move and attack normally while underwater, even with slashing weapons such as axes and swords or with bludgeoning weapons such as flails, hammers, and maces, provided that the weapon is wielded in the hand rather than hurled. The freedom of movement spell does not, however, allow water breathing. Material Component: A leather thong, bound around the arm or a similar appendage. Antimagic Field is amended as follows: [SIZE=4][B]Antimagic Field[/B][/SIZE] [I]Abjuration[/I] [B]Level:[/B] Cleric 6, Magic 6, Protection 6, Sorcerer/Wizard 5 [B]Components:[/B] V, S, M/DF [B]Casting Time:[/B] 1 standard action [B]Range:[/B] 10 ft. [B]Area:[/B] 10-ft.-radius emanation, centered on you [B]Duration:[/B] 10 min./level (D) [B]Saving Throw:[/B] None [B]Spell Resistance:[/B] No An invisible barrier surrounds you and moves with you. The space within this barrier is impervious to many magical effects. An antimagic field automatically suppresses any spell or magical effect currently active on the caster, and it prevents the caster from casting any new spells on himself so long as the antimagic field is in effect. The caster can still cast spells with a target or area of effect that lies outside the radius of the antimagic field. Any other spell that allows spell resistance that is cast upon anyone inside the radius of the antimagic field automatically fails to affect them. However, spells or spell-like abilities that do not allow spell resistance can enter the field and affect the caster or other creatures as usual. As supernatural abilities never allow spell resistance, they are unaffected by an antimagic field. Magic items and weapons continue to function in an antimagic field for the most part. If one of these items generates a temporary or instantaneous effect that would normally be subject to spell resistance, then just that aspect of the item or weapon does not work. Dispel magic cannot remove an antimagic field, however it can still target the caster or creatures inside the radius of the field. (Though since the caster of an antimagic field essentially has no active spells on him, a targeted dispel would be somewhat pointless.) Two or more antimagic fields sharing any of the same space have no effect on each other. Artifacts and deities are unaffected by mortal magic such as this. Should a creature other than the caster be larger than the area enclosed by the barrier, any part of it that lies outside the barrier is unaffected by the field. [I]Arcane Material Component:[/I] A pinch of powdered iron or iron filings. Wings of Cover is amended as follows: [SIZE=3][B]WINGS OF COVER[/B][/SIZE] [I]Evocation[/I] [Force] [B]Level:[/B] Sorcerer 2 [B]Components:[/B] V, S [B]Casting Time:[/B] 1 immediate action [B]Range:[/B] Personal [B]Target:[/B] You [B]Duration:[/B] Instantaneous [I]Immense, partially translucent wings unfurl from behind you and almost completely shield you from the sight of your enemies for a single heartbeat.[/I] Your evoked wings grant protection against a specific violent action. If your foe is about to attack you with a melee, ranged, spell, or supernatural attack, you can cast this spell immediately, creating a hemispherical barrier (or a spherical barrier if you are not standing on solid ground) of force shaped like dragon wings. The wings of force last just long enough to potentially disrupt your foe's line of effect to you. You gain a miss chance equal to 30% + your caster level against that single attack, spell, etc. This miss chance cannot be negated by any means, and is not considered "concealment" for the purposes of spells like True Strike, the re-roll granted by Blind-Fight, and so on. The wings unfurl and then dissipate an instant later. If you are the subject of an area attack, you instead receive +8 Insight bonus to your appropriate saving throw (usually Reflex) as well as Improved Evasion; though if the area effect instead calls for a Fortitude or Will saving throw, you gain no additional benefit. [B]Special:[/B] A dragonblooded character, or a character with the dragon type, can provide cover for one additional adjacent ally for every three caster levels. Wings of Flurry is amended as follows: [SIZE=4][B]WINGS OF FLURRY[/B][/SIZE] [I]Evocation[/I] [Force] [B]Level:[/B] Sorcerer 4 [B]Components:[/B] V, S [B]Casting Time:[/B] 1 standard action [B]Range:[/B] 30 ft. [B]Area:[/B] 30-ft.-radius burst, centered on you [B]Duration:[/B] Instantaneous [B]Saving Throw:[/B] Reflex half, the Will [B]Spell Resistance:[/B] Yes [I]Immense, scaled wings unfurl from behind you and beat at nearby foes in a savage flurry before vanishing as quickly as they appeared.[/I] You evoke flickering dragon's wings that strike at every creature in range, dealing 1d6 points of damage per caster level to all within 30 feet that fail a Reflex saving throw, and half that damage to creatures that succeed on the save. Creatures that fail the Reflex save must make a Will save at the same DC. Those that fail the Will saving throw are also dazed for 1 round. Success on the Will save means the creature is merely dazzled for 1 round instead. [B]Special:[/B] A dragonblooded character, or a character with the dragon type, casts this spell at +1 caster level. [/QUOTE]
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